Sim Racing Design

If you look at the history of all restrictor plate races you will find that most accidents in the final laps have been from drivers trying to improve their positions and others trying to save theirs. Look at Dale Sr. in 1997 when he flipped in the back stretch multiple cars were tryin g to block and some were trying to win. Then Gordon being spun in the tri-oval by Marlin. Dale Sr. in 2001 at Daytona. Edwards in Tally this year and Busch at Daytona on the 4th. The problem is this all happens in micro seconds and it is humanly impossible for us to make the right moves from mind to hands to tires on the track for everything to work out right all the time. To stop this type of finishes is to change restrictor plate racing. BUT HOW IS THE ????????????????????????????? Just my thoughts have been watching NASCAR since 1980 and Have seen it all through the years. Including Petty's ride into the fence years ago. You change how the race at these tracks and you change the outcome. I have seen with the old car that you could block twice and it would work. With this car they close up to each other much fast than the old cars do and I think that could be a factor too.


Joe

It's all mirror-driving. If you do that on the final lap your four tires won't be on the ground any more.

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Originally Posted by Clutch

Just for whoever sees it, JeffJordan is now my hero.

let's put it this way. you just took the lead in the daytona 500 with a lap to go to win it. you get challenged for the lead coming out of turn four what are YOU going to do about it then? you can either block and have a 50-50 chance of getting wrecked or finishing the race. and since this is pack racing, you can always count on just more than one car to pass you if you let them by. you cannot win. no trophy, less winnings, smaller amount of points for the season, and a deflated crew and team/car owner.

Alright folks, let's settle this down a bit shall we?

First off, both Tony Stewart and Kyle Busch are two of the greatest, most talented stock car drivers on the planet today. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in the rides that they're in, nor would they have had the success that they have had.

Secondly, what happened on the final straightaway at Daytona was Kyle moving to block Stewart after Stewart had already passed his right rear fender by a few inches, and when Kyle moved up, Kyle sent himself crashing into the wall. There wasn't anywhere close to enough time for Kyle to have realized that Stewart had crawled past his fender a bit between his first block and his second block to know not to cut back to the right or he would have wrecked. That's the deal. Watch the replay, and that's what you'll see.

So where does that leave us? It was a racin' deal. No one deliberately wrecked anyone.

Now regarding safety, I don't think anyone deserves critcism regarding safety here. The walls did their job. The cars did their job. The drivers did their job in that it is up to them to fight as hard as they can to win. (As stated above, Kyle couldn't have known his second block would send him crashing into the wall.) The only commentary I have regarding safety is that I wish Daytona would eliminate the ability for fans to stand right next to the catch fence while cars are racing. Many tracks have already done this, and I think Daytona's stuck in the past a bit here. While fans may not like it too much, after having seen other tracks doing this for safety, I think it is the right thing to do to keep fans safe. I hope Daytona decides to do this soon.

As for NASCAR, while it is their job to ensure safety, it is NOT their job to regulate how drivers race outside of certain obvious areas like deliberately wrecking someone. That area is for drivers to police themselves in, and they do a good job of that overall. There's no reason why this wreck should be used in a trumpeting call for no blocking in NASCAR as has been imposed, to their detriment IMO, in other forms of auto racing.

Now with that all said, I'd especially like to see this discussion move out of the elementary school playground and into the more grown-up table if you guys wouldn't mind. The use of punctuation, spelling would be appreciated. An end to comments such as "Kyle Busch couldn't drive a go-kart" would also be appreciated as they are detrimental to the discussion we're trying to have here. Thanks.

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i agree with you there matt. i pulled for kyle busch last year and i still think he is the future of nascar, and i understand that not everybody feels that way. i just hate to see people have such a blind hatred for somebody or call a driver like busch a young, no talent punk, when the facts state otherwise.

Cryle is immature. End of story. I cheered so hard when Smoke wrecked him
And at Sonoma when Cryle spun Hornish then Hornish retaliated and wrecked the little whiner

Originally Posted by 2chance1

Cryle is immature. End of story. I cheered so hard when Smoke wrecked him And at Sonoma when Cryle spun Hornish then Hornish retaliated and wrecked the little whiner

now see here? this is exactly what i'm talking about. why does this HAVE to be about kyle busch? come on, every driver whines, even the beloved Earnhardt. the only difference is when he whines they fire somebody. and what's up with the whole "cryle" thing?

Tony Stewart is my hero. LOL.

I wish that people would realise that this happens in racing. Wrecks happen because a drive makes a mistake. Kyle Busch made a mistake in coming up to block Stewart. And as much as I think Carl Edwards is awesome, this kind of talk was barely evident on the internet after Carl pulled a similar move at 'Dega.

Originally Posted by 2chance1

Cryle is immature. End of story. I cheered so hard when Smoke wrecked him And at Sonoma when Cryle spun Hornish then Hornish retaliated and wrecked the little whiner

Please read up above where I asked for this thread to come OUT of the elementary school playground. This thread is not for name calling, or pointless Busch bashing.

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"I think Davey had a way about him that made people feel special when he spoke with them. When he was around them he had just a rare quality that was truly a star quality. I think people were drawn to him because of that. It has really lasted all of these years. He was a great guy." -- Liz Allison

"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg