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Do you think NASCAR is going too far with taking the cars away?

Nope, not at all. NASCAR made a very clear point to teams last year and probably this year. DON'T MESS WITH THE COT Now that doesn't mean the team messed with the car intentionally, we don't know for sure. But I expect a 150-200 point fine for the 1 team and probably a suspension for Kevin Manion "BONO"

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I agree, NASCAR told teams not to mess with the car, I don't think anyone was intentionally messing with it. We probably won't see Bono until Indy maybe and look for money and points to be taken away. Perhaps NASCAR should visit all the shops before they leave and inspect the cars before they get loaded on the hauler to avoid this.

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Nope, confiscating cars that have violated rules is perfectly fine. The confiscated car gets sent to NASCAR's R&D center so NASCAR figures out exactly what was done and if they need to do something about it. The teams always say it's up to NASCAR to hold them in line, and it's their job to push the rulebook. So the only complaining you're going to see here is internal in the #1 camp wondering just what in the world happened.

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Nope. NASCAR says do not do anything, they mean anything. I believe the fines should be harder, up to and including elimination of the team, driver and owner from the sport.

Eliminating the team & driver from the sport?? That would be going a mite too far IMO. NASCAR does do lifetime bans for drivers who've violated substance abuse rules (see: Shane Hmiel), but for something like what the #1 car was penalized for hardly requires killing the entire team.

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"I think Davey had a way about him that made people feel special when he spoke with them. When he was around them he had just a rare quality that was truly a star quality. I think people were drawn to him because of that. It has really lasted all of these years. He was a great guy." -- Liz Allison

"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg

I agree with eliminating ONLY if the team has a HUGE problem with continually breaking rules and has a history of big fines,ect. Maybe then people would take fines,ect more serious.

I don't think teams should be banned from the sport but what about parked for the season ? That possibillty I think could stop a lot of bull from happening in NASCAR.

I mean why not ? Other sports bench people for the season for breaking rules.It should be specific too by benching an owner,,crew chief driver, or team depending on what penalty was broke,ect.

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I think a one week suspension won't be to far off. Instead of just the crew chief. But banning a team from the sport all together? Never gonna happen!

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They will never ban a driver for life on these terms but i could agree with suspesion for a race. Especially if a team pulls something like jimme and knaus did a few years ago @ Daytona with the whole rigged rear window.

I don't think NASCAR went too far by confiscating the #1 car. When NASCAR developed the COT, they also developed a rulebook that specified what teams could and could not do with the new car.

This same exact situation happened to both the #66 and #70 Haas Racing teams earlier this year, and as you all probably remember, Dale Jr.'s former team got caught using unapproved rear wing mounts at last year's race at Darlington, and both Jeff Gordon's and Jimmie Johnson's cars were confiscated by NASCAR for messing with the front fenders before last year's race at Sonoma.

I think the current penalties that have been assessed to teams for pushing the envelope with the COT are harsh enough. Just my $.02.

James

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