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Originally Posted by celticfang

[offtopic] Okay, why does NASCAR even NEED a race in CA in the fall Why not give it to a track like Michigan? In fact, why does NASCAR even need to race in CA at a Michigan clone at all? Surely it'd be better if they raced at a road course like Laguna Seca or a local short track... [/offtopic] IMO, the chase system is flawesd as it is, it needs for the ten/twelve Chase drivers to run to their own points system, leaving the others to race for wins/personal glory

To answer your first question, just to reach out to fans in California (yea, we all know how that went, just look at the grandstands since the 1997 race), and obviously, Riverside draws a good crowd, but it's now real estate and a mall. Laguna Seca is too slow for the stock cars and God knows what will happen once they reach the Corkscrew, and as far as local short tracks are concerned, I always say they should just implode the track and make a Wilkesboro clone on top of it.

Also, that's what the Chase was designed to do (see: Tony Stewart playing spoiler in the 2006 Championship by winning Kansas, Atlanta, and Texas)

Originally Posted by DaveyFan28

You'll want to lynch Bruton Smith too since the move was really more to get Atlanta out of this weekend because the current weather situation happens just about everytime.

I would say put Darlington in the Labor Day slot, but it's hot weather all the time (then again, the first Southern 500 is hot as well).

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Originally Posted by celticfang

I don't think money buys success though, you can throw millions of dollars into a team and have no success (e.g. Red Bull), until you find the magic formula

No it doesn't and I was actually thinking of AJ Allmendinger when I was typing all that. But the teams that have the most sponsoring income statistically do better week in and week out. Nice top 10 by the way Celt. Although as exciting as a Daytona finish would be, I doubt you would find many drivers enjoying it.

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Re Laguna Seca : I don't think it's too slow for cup cars. Other series (GrandAm's DPs, Champcar ... Toyota have even run the track in an F1 car) have ran the track perfectly well.

As for Corkscrew, it would be pretty hairy but many other sorts of car can run it perfectly well. It has adequate run-off facilities as it hosts MotoGP. There are several road courses gagging for a cup date - Laguna Seca, Lime Rock Park, Miller Park in Utah, Montreal and Mexico City could do cup dates. Maybe even a street circuit somewhere. Surely that would be better than duplicating some of the more boring "let's not design a new one, let's use a photocopier" tracks.

Thanks Triadz

I don't think that Laguna Seca is too slow for the cars, as Duke said, F1, Grand Am and the now defunct ChampCar series ran there.

Also, as Duke said, the circuit has more than adequate run off areas, having hosted an F1 test. Also, the corkscrew in NASCAR would be its USP, a way to get new fans in. Also it'd be a unique challenge, during the recent ALMS event, the track was changing every lap with dust and sand on the track.

EDIT: Nascar Busch Series ran Mexico City last two years canceled it due to attendance figures (afaik)

They should drop the chase. I agree with batman on this one.

Originally Posted by celticfang

Thanks Triadz

Lol. Actually it's Tnadz. But I could see how the 'n' would look like an 'r' and 'i' squeezed together. I don't remember if someone said this already but why not have a special "guest" track for the number 9 slot and have it be something different every year. It would have to be a track that isn't used during the regular season like Mid-Ohio or Pikes Peak. Then if I continued to have it my way, I too would elect to have Daytona finish the year. Talk about an upset!

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Bit of a problem with PPIR : the sale contract (when ISC got rid of it) bans the circuit from holding anything at any real level - although it was NASCAR who owned the track in the first place. In the UK the competition commission would step in, but that is thread derailment!

Originally Posted by celticfang

EDIT: Nascar Busch Series ran Mexico City last two years canceled it due to attendance figures (afaik)

Actually four, from 2005 to 2008. The only reason why I would think of cancelling Mexico City, despite being an awesome venue, is that the track wasn't built for stock cars and NASCAR realized it's only a gimmick. Although all three races are epic in its own right.

Tnadz, I'm legally blind :P

Yea, guest track would be fun, autocross anyone? Or stick in Berlin or Winchester

The only change that needs to be done is get New Hampshire out of there and put darlington in. Other then that, there is not much more that anyone can do. The only way to get the chase exciting is to start Jimmie Johnson with 400 points less than eveybody. Leave the FORMAT alone!