Sim Racing Design

Yes or No?

Jimmie Johnson is well on his way to winning his third consecutive title. Two different Chase formates (sorta) two different cars. It is no doubt amazing. In 2006 in the Monte Carlo. 2007 in the Monte Carlo and Impala. And now 2008 in just Impala COT. Do we need a change? I say yes. Change the format completely. Even if it takes another year to come up with it. We need the drama we had in 2004. We're not gonna see that again because teams figured it out how to win the Chase.

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Teams figured out how to win the Chase? What, by doing as well as possible in the 10 races that make up the Chase and hope you're lucky enough that nothing bad happens to you? Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

I'm not sure exactly what you want? There's gotta be some variability in the format to allow for all possible outcomes here. Johnson has by no means walked all over the field and made three consecutive chases boring. Johnson's just done what he needed to do in order to win. Every Chase this far, all 4 of them, have come down to the last race. What more can you ask for? Are you going to penalize Jimmie Johnson because Kyle Busch came into the Chase with a big lead and totally blew it? That wasn't Johnson's fault...

Now I do expect that more tweaking is coming to the Chase. However, I do not think or agree that Johnson's 3-peating (assuming he does) is some indirect indictment of the Chase format at all.

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"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg

I think the chase is working and doing what it was intended to do. Even in the races, the drivers are constantly in the same positioning as they are overall in the chase. ie Kevin Harvick finished 7th @ Martinsville and he is 6th in points overall. That does prove that the system does work but it takes till the end of the year for all the numbers to work out. I see Kyle Bush in your pic. In his case, the chase format sucks, unfortunately he has blown engines and lost tires recently. If you don't play well in the playoffs your are the first team to go home. In the history of sports, there have been hundreds of teams whoopin arse at the beginning of the year and then have problems at the end. This may be only my 2nd year watching NASCAR and i am loving every minute of it the way it looks, sounds and plays out. anyhay... add one to my post count please..

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I'm commending Johnson and the 48 team for doing what their doing. The Chase needs some tweaking. For one, loose 12 drivers and keep it at 10. 10 races. 10 Chasers. Nice round even number. Maybe a change of race tracks? Add a road course or maybe Bristol? Reschedule qualifying at least. I looked at the weather for Atlanta 80% chance of rain all day friday..... Maybe 20 points for winning? I don't know. I really don't. They called the Chase the Matt Kenseth rule. Could we see a Jimmie Johnson rule next year?

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I think we need a revolving schedule for the chase. Not the same 10 tracks year after year, that rewards drivers that are good at those tracks. Granted, Jimmie Johnson is good at all tracks, but all drivers have their best ones. I think Johnson's 10 best tracks just happen to be in the chase and that is why he is unbeatable in the chase.

I think they should scrap the chase and go back to the old point system. I remember the good old days when the championship was decided when the checkered flags flew on the last lap at the final race, granted the chase is exciting, but to see the same drivers win week after week is getting a bit boring.

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Originally Posted by scottw73

I think they should scrap the chase and go back to the old point system. I remember the good old days when the championship was decided when the checkered flags flew on the last lap at the final race, granted the chase is exciting, but to see the same drivers win week after week is getting a bit boring.

Even if the chase changed or was gotten rid of, the same drivers would be winning regardless. I do agree that a revolving schedule would be the best. Yes, tweaking is definitely going to happen but the system and the way the chase is based on points wont change. Different tracks by either revolving the chase schedule every year or by adding some more road courses or any kind of "different" track would definitely make it more interesting.

We should all petition this forum and send it to NASCAR.

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Originally Posted by scottw73

I remember the good old days when the championship was decided when the checkered flags flew on the last lap at the final race

And exactly when besides 1992 did this happen? I seem to remember the championship constantly being locked up at Rockingham or Phoenix just about every year. I only remember it even getting to Atlanta in 1992.

If the Chase has done anything, its ensure that the championship always gets decided when the checkered flag falls at the end of the last race. It's happened every time since 2004.

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"I think Davey had a way about him that made people feel special when he spoke with them. When he was around them he had just a rare quality that was truly a star quality. I think people were drawn to him because of that. It has really lasted all of these years. He was a great guy." -- Liz Allison

"What kind of man would live in a world where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances, but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." -- Charles Lindberg

First off, I think they need to bring it back to 10 drivers. 10 drivers. 10 races. it's brilliant. the only reason nascar went to 12 is because poor old dale jr didn't make the chase. so what. if your favorite driver doesn't perform well and can't make the top 10 after 26 races, he doesn't deserve to compete for the title. idc if it's jr, stewart, kahne, harvick, gordon, kyle busch, or bill engvall. if they're not in the top 10 after 26, they don't deserve a shot to be in the chase and compete for the title.

secondly, def. need to move races around in the schedule every year. maybe throw watkins glen in the chase...and def. bring back darlington for a second race. give vegas a second date in the chase...bring back rockingham. I'd love to see all those tracks in the chase. Mix it up a little bit.

thirdly, and it's just a maybe...but nascar could consider giving the chase drivers their own points system. like they get w/e many points for where they finish among the chasers, not the entire 43 driver field. that could help ensure that someone who dominates a season and has some bad luck in the first 2-3 races doesn't fall completely out of contention

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1) #48-Jimmie Johnson 4609 [6 wins] 2) #99-Carl Edwards 4496 -113 [6 wins] 3) #18-Kyle Busch 4426 -183 [8 wins] 4) #31-Jeff Burton 4295 -314 [2 wins] 5) #16-Greg Biffle 4204 -405 [2 wins] 6) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4172 -437 [1 win] 7) #29-Kevin Harvick 4100 -509 8) #20-Tony Stewart 4020 -589 [1 win] 9) #24-Jeff Gordon 4019 -590 10) #07-Clint Bowyer 3937 -672 [1 win] 11) #11-Denny Hamlin 3878 -731 [1 win] 12) #6-David Ragan 3802 -807 13) #17-Matt Kenseth 3797 -812 14) #9-Kasey Kahne 3656 -953 [2 wins]

Its closer with the classic points! We need a road course in the Chase thats for sure. Darlington would be nice. Vegas would be a great place to end it.

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