Sim Racing Design

Quote: "They dont mean its illegal to use, they mean its illegal for commercial use (making money off it)"

EXACTLY...

Do you honestly believe we are Insecure? We are simply providing a fact of Truth to the Real Racing world...

Those models cannot be used in anyway, shape or form for commercial purposes according to the EULA agreements and creators of those models...

Simple as that... there is no argument...

As far as the COT Mod models we released, we have seen those being provided to teams from SimRacers to get their "Paint Designs proposed"... that is ILLEGAL, we strictly prohibit that, and we will take the needed actions to protect our Property and Copyrights.

We are not saying its ILLEGAL to use those models for personal usage, but you cannot sell those renders and or models or use them for commercial purposes in any way without the threat of being sued...

As far as Sim-Painters Talents... there is no question, there are some talented folks out here, I know I got my start in Sim-Racing, and since then have contracted work out to several talented artists that have shown they can provide unique and quality designs... Hence the reason we posted about the RPM-3D Fleet Vehicle Designs... Copying schemes and replicating ones that are already designed and done is one thing, creating totally new and unique concepts is quite another story...

We have helped several "painters" get their start in Designing Real Race Cars and Graphics for teams and companies...

We are also looking at providing a way for sim-Painters to sell their designs to race teams and sponsors by providing a way for Our clients to view and contact the painters and then purchase the scheme designs... We will help assist in this process to make sure the "Designers" get a good deal on their designs, and to help promote their artwork.

Justin I think the biggest gripe of all was naming sites especially the ones that have been here that help build this sim community. You are absolutely right on about all points and you and I have discussed this I just think the naming of the sites is whats causing the grief. Just my opinion bud. I mean you know what could happen if some of the major companies would look at these sites man people could get in serious trouble for offering contig sets and painjobs to average joes like me and them not making one penny off it.

I completely understand RPM3D's position on this, and what and why things are considered illegal. I was just sounding off in regards to what Smoke-OR pointed out, which was that the biggest problem that many of us had with this pdf file was the listing all of those sites that many of us visit frequently. Kind of protecting out own...the sites which have helped build up the simracing community.

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Anyone by chance save the pdf.?

You slammed my website in that pdf for your gain is the only thing I got out of that pdf.

SRD DOES NOT USE ILLEGAL MODELS FOR COMMERCIAL USE.

Yet in that pdf, you clearly named my site as one site using illegal models, along with other websites. I am curious as to why you didn't name Jeff's site? You know your partner? The CTJP chassis he uses or used to use? Remember that model Justin? I am sure you guys didn't EVER,EVER use that model as a presentation when you first started off with your company right? That was built from the ground up from who exactly? Your company? From Jeff Strong? No I think not. I like Jeff, we have spoken a few times, and is a nice guy from the few convos I had with him. He is a class act all the way. I am thinking he wouldn't agree with what you have implied in that PDF. If he does, than I am a bad judge of character.

You basically shit on my site, the guys at MG, VG, and Tucknut for what reason exactly Justin? If it was to benefit you, I think you seriously missed your target. I can't speak for those sites, but I can speak for mine.

I have spent way too much money on this website, for you to rip into it the way you did. And you have the balls, to come here at my forums, and ask this community to make a design for fleet vehicles for RPM3D? You got brass balls bro, I'll give ya that.

If you want to discuss this any further Justin,I suggest you p.m me.

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What crap. I agree with jgegner, the ss.net cars are way better than RPM. They're just acting like a bunch of girls. If you don't want people using your models to paint/race/render, than don't give them away. Put a price tag on it. But with other folks like the ss.net guys, goodluck selling anything.

The funniest part about this WHOLE thing. The want to use all of this legal wording, well what the hell do you think they are doing modifying NASCAR games without getting NASCAR involved.

I can understand the illegal use of a model that RPM 3D created but pretty much all of the renders in the pdf shown were not that model. If someone was using their model to present other folks paints to teams I would say yeah defend that. But trying to "scare" teams into thinking all models besides theirs is classless and pathetic. Plus if this company was born with it's roots in sim-racing painting why tear all the rest of us painters down except it's fear of other guys paints being chosen over theirs if someone was to present their design to someone. Geez. pretty pathetic.

I guess after ESPN showed on Changing Gears Jr turning to a sim painter to design his new paintjobs for the 88 and the paint being done on Tucknut's template and with one of these "illegal" renders they feared that teams may turn to some of the talent that is out there and it would take $$$ out of their own pocket. I could see where a team would turn to an average joe that would be happy alone with the fact that he/she designed a real car and not charge them big $ for a design and I think that scares companies who make their livings on that. But trying to tear the whole community down isn't the way to go around this from happening.
Then to ask painters who they just got done tearing down to turn to that company so they can make $ off that talent is just tasteless....

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Dude ... why does it seems big biz always has to cause so much drama?

I haven't read the PDF in question (the link from one of the first posts in this thread is dead ... imagine that!) I don't exactly understand what Justin is / was trying to accomplish.

I can only assume that, judging by the way Maximus reacted, this PDF isn't complimentary. That's crap. The folks here at SRD are honest, hard-working people genuinely trying to enhance the NR2003 experience. Tons of time, money, and talent have made this site what it is today - my first stop for everything NR2003 related. There's a brotherhood evident among the folks who make SRD tick. I've not visited another site where everyone is so helpful, nice, and spend so much time offering quality cars, add-ons, painting resources, and so on. What do they get in return? The satisfaction of knowing they've helped a fellow simracer out. That's honorable.

All this said, it appears RPM3D has somewhat gone the way of iRacing.

Like I said, I haven't had a chance to find this PDF file so I can read it, so I'm speaking out of a bit of ignorance. Therefore, I don't understand why the downloads have been suspended. What needs to happen for this to be available again? If necessary, I (and tons of others) will be glad to bombard Justin's inbox and let him know how appreciative we are of this disruption.

To close, I'll sum it up by saying without sites like SRD, my NR2003 CD would be in a desk drawer somewhere. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great sim, but it's all the additional content provided by here and other sites that keeps the community strong, healthy, and makes the future continue to look bright.

Thanks for puttin' up with my ranting.
Greg Bell (DJ)

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Yeah, he's got balls alright. He took images from SRD, The Racing Groove, MasGrafx, Simodifed, Tucknut, etc. and posted them in that pdf. Using those images without approval violates copyright laws. So who is reallt breaking the law here? Man, talk about hypocrisy.

While I am on a roll, let me address a few more issues I have a problem with in your statement.

Then why else would you have that PDF displayed on the internet? Do you honestly think the real racing world gives a rip how you present a paint job to sponsors and race teams? When Jr showed his concepts of his cars to Rick Hendrick, did he ask if the models were legal? No, I'll tell ya why too, he doesn't give a rip. It's a minor detail to the grand scheme of things, no pun intended. Are you ready to contact Hendrick Motorsports and sue them because they are using "illegal models"? You got all the proof you need, it's in Jr's show on ESPN2. Give that a try and see how far that gets you. Don't bother, you can't, they aren't your models. I feel bad for Jeff, he made a bad decision having you as a partner.
I beg to differ. It's not your call. If the creators want to press charges, by all means they have every right too. Your scare tactics don't hold any water here Justin.
Completely agree. However the other models you showed in the PDF as "illegal", you have no say so. So give it a rest about illegal models now shall we?
Who is going to sue? Certainly not you, they aren't your models. Another scare tactic that holds no water.

I must say your digging yourself a deep hole if you think the sim racing community is going to want to work with you after this stunt you just pulled. Well done, can you be my P.R guy here at SRD?

And by helping you mean what? Displaying to the public that all the sites you listed and are left that try and keep the sim racing community viable they are all using illegal materials? You seriously need to rethink how you conduct business. Here is a legal term you may be getting used to in the near future if you keep this up....... slander,libel,defamation........... Ask your lawyer about those, you really need to talk with one, as I seriously doubt you got advice from a lawyer before you posted that PDF.

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those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord,
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