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2012 Sylvania 300 at New Hampshire Weekend Discussion
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The tire fall-off isnt the issue. Even if you make them fall off significantly, you're still going to have strung out fields. It'll just be strung out fields with slower lap times and more tire failures.
The problem is the cars. More specifically, the aero package coupled with the suspension package. Theres no downforce on the nose, so they dont drive worth a damn unless you're in clean air. And since the majority of the field is in dirty air, the majority of the field isnt going anywhere. Add the bump-stop package to that, and now you've got a much more unstable car, with a serious lack of downforce, trying to cut through dirty air. It aint happening.
Sorry, but I dont care how tired or fed up he is. Thats no excuse to act the way he acts and speak to his crew chief the way he does. Theres no justifying that. No matter how bad your day (or year) might be going, it doesnt give you the right to disrespect everyone around you. Especially when they're trying to help you.
Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I find it disgusting. That kind of thing shouldnt be tolerated. There are hundreds of people who put in a crazy amount of hours every week, giving up time with their family and everything else, so you can live the dream and be a professional race car driver. And to show such an ungreatful attitude and lack of respect is unacceptable. Its just basic human decency, and hes got a big zero in that column.
The problem is the cars. More specifically, the aero package coupled with the suspension package. Theres no downforce on the nose, so they dont drive worth a damn unless you're in clean air. And since the majority of the field is in dirty air, the majority of the field isnt going anywhere. Add the bump-stop package to that, and now you've got a much more unstable car, with a serious lack of downforce, trying to cut through dirty air. It aint happening.
Sorry, but I dont care how tired or fed up he is. Thats no excuse to act the way he acts and speak to his crew chief the way he does. Theres no justifying that. No matter how bad your day (or year) might be going, it doesnt give you the right to disrespect everyone around you. Especially when they're trying to help you.
Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I find it disgusting. That kind of thing shouldnt be tolerated. There are hundreds of people who put in a crazy amount of hours every week, giving up time with their family and everything else, so you can live the dream and be a professional race car driver. And to show such an ungreatful attitude and lack of respect is unacceptable. Its just basic human decency, and hes got a big zero in that column.
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I also agree that the current aero setup blows as well. They just need to look at how IndyCar does their aero packages for ovals this season and think to themselves "now how can we emulate that in NASCAR?"
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HAHA I knew someone would say this.
Behind door #1 we have a former Cup champion with 24 wins and a career average finish of 17th.
And door number two has a driver with one Cup win and a career average finish of 25th.
FRR has picked the guy behind door #1. And I don't even have to say who is behind which door because the stats speak for themselves. I'm not bashing Regan Smith but how many times this year has he contended for a win? I find it funny that people think that that team is making a bad move here.
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On the other hand, since when FRM has actually been in contention for wins...and don't say plate tracks or that one time in Darlington.
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Personally, I dont think they need to look at ANYTHING IndyCar does...
Besides, its apples and oranges. Those cars are built to stick to the track. The only reason the bodies look the way they do is because they're tailor-made for the aerodynamics. Big difference when it comes to a boxy/blocky stock car.All joking aside, they just need a package similar to the downforce cars. Theres a reason they were called "downforce" cars.
The aero package (specifically the nose of the car) allowed more front downforce, without increasing drag, which helps the car drive through dirty air. Then on top of it (and more importantly), they ran a coil-binded package (basically soft front springs and stiff rear springs), which plants the nose on the ground and adds more stability by reducing suspension travel when the car loads in the turns. The result is cars being able to handle and make passes in traffic, which they dont do very well right now.
The bump-stop package creates a lot more instability and travel when the shock bottoms out on the shim. Add to that, the current aero package and higher center of gravity, and you end up with a car that wants to roll over on the right rear when it loads. Then it becomes a juggling act of standing up the right rear (which will naturally loosen the car) and trying to keep the nose planted (which means running less shim in the front, which also naturally loosens the car). Then obviously you have to compensate for that somewhere else. Overall, its a lot less stability and a lot less downforce on the nose. And the end result is a car that wont handle in traffic, and therefore, cant make passes.
History doesnt lie. Downforce = better handling in traffic. Better handling in traffic = passing.
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They'd just be better off making a car that doesn't handle as horribly as the COT. They can only physically do so much with tires.
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It's also the crappy tracks NASCAR continues to go to that has a lot to do with the quality of racing.
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Any suspension changes with the new cot?
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The fact that Regan is doing better than Kurt this year (Regan's average finish: 22.5, Kurt's average finish: 24.6) in similar equipment says something. Even if he wasn't doing better, Regan still doesn't wreck his car every other week. So yeah, FRR is making a pretty bad move. Hopefully Regan gets the good ride he deserves as a result of this.
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Nope. At least not to this point. They wont stray from the bump-stop package now because its more cost effective for the smaller teams. Not only that, but it allows more versatility with the cars. You'll see teams run the same car at Pocono, to Martinsville, to Sonoma, to Dover, to Texas, and all kinds of random combinations like that. Whereas with the downforce cars, they were built specifically for the track type - short track flat, short track banked, intermediate, road course, plate tracks, etc...
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Makes sense not to change. I think the body changes will help the cars next year.
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I never like to pass judgement even though I used to race at a pro level. Guys get frustrated especially when they're used to good prep, cars and such. Kyle's a great driver and we all say stuff in the heat of the moment. Put yourself in his position, it's not easy. Denny should be called the "Pied Piper" from now on. It was actually a joke. He called it and did it. What a drive!. I'm still frustrated that all my Ford guys are battling.
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