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2013 STP 300 at Chicagoland Discussion (Nationwide)
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But honestly. Isn't the drivers championship more important? As it was noted if Sam ends up loasing the championship by 1 or 2 points they will have to ask themselves if this was worth it.
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It's sad to think that the owners' championship is now more important than the drivers' championship. This is what the Nationwide Series has come to, bringing in Cup drivers on standalone race weekends/offsite races to win the owners' championship. It's extremely disgraceful to this series.
Penske could've at least given the #22 ride to Ryan Blaney, he needs the seat time more than Brad and Joey do. But the sponsors do not care, they want Cup drivers at standalones no matter what.
Penske could've at least given the #22 ride to Ryan Blaney, he needs the seat time more than Brad and Joey do. But the sponsors do not care, they want Cup drivers at standalones no matter what.
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Honestly, Sam Hornish pretty much threw the race away when he sped on pit road. Even if it was kinda early in the race that was a stupid move, he was in 1st and there was no way Sadler was going to beat him onto pit road, and even Sadler beat him, it's better than starting at the end of the field and having to make up all that ground. And let's not forget the 20 pit crew making mistakes and letting Vickers lose 11 spots total in the last 2 stops. This wasn't your average "Cup guy dominates and wins" race, the best cars were in the hands of the Nationwide regulars, and they made mistakes. Joey was just at the right place and the right time with a good enough car to win. Anyone can win if they were in the place of Joey... it's just that Joey was in the place Joey was in.
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Is there something wrong with owners competing against other owners for the owner's championship? In Formula 1, the constructor's championship is every bit as important as the driver's championship, if not moreso, and it seems to be working out just fine for them. I don't see anyone embarrassed by it or calling it a disgrace.
Who says Brad & Joey don't need seat time as much as Ryan Blaney just because Blaney is younger and doesn't already have a Cup ride? Have you not noticed how competitive the Cup Series is? Both of their Cup teams are sizing up whatever Chase chances that they have left. Running Nationwide, especially at a track that's in the Chase, will help those efforts.
You say it's "extremely disgraceful" that this happens, but you may want to think it through a bit more. This is a team sport. It's not about one guy behind the wheel, or one guy signing the checks. It's about all of them in multiple series and multiple teams at the same time.
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To be fair, imagine being on the pit crew of the #22. With multiple drivers, you have no shot at a driver's championship, so your best shot to have a big celebration at the end of the season is the owners' championship. That's why we've heard a lot this past week about the possibility of the #55 making the owner's chase and getting the owner's points championships.
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I love how everyone complains about cup drivers winning Busch races, but are so extremely happy when a Busch driver wins a cup race.... But only when their argument is the "stay in your own series" mentality.
Who gives a shit about who wins the Busch race? It's a race, and the guy that completes all the laps first wins. Might your favorite regular finish second to a cup guy, yea, I understand a little frustration. Might your least favorite cup driver win, yea, I understand the frustration. I'm just sick of seeing everyone complain about every finish in every series. Fuck, if you hate every NASCAR race, go watch ARCA or something.
Sorry, it's been a long day, lol
Who gives a shit about who wins the Busch race? It's a race, and the guy that completes all the laps first wins. Might your favorite regular finish second to a cup guy, yea, I understand a little frustration. Might your least favorite cup driver win, yea, I understand the frustration. I'm just sick of seeing everyone complain about every finish in every series. Fuck, if you hate every NASCAR race, go watch ARCA or something.
Sorry, it's been a long day, lol
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I totally understand all your points. I'm just a little ticked off that another opportunity for the Nationwide regulars was taken away...again.
I was just saying that Logano didn't need to race today at a standalone race. That's all. If I came off as a little too aggressive, I apologize for that.
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The argument is not "stay in your own series", it's that Nationwide is supposed to developmental series (and former Cup washouts trying to make it back), yet Cup guys are driving around dominating the series in the best equipment in the field. I mean, NASCAR is the only major series that I know of that allows this.
If they want to race, let them race. . .with their own money and equipment.
If they want to race, let them race. . .with their own money and equipment.
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I see nothing wrong with trying to get the #22 the owners championship and Sam the drivers championship. Why wouldn't Penske want to get both? That is why Joey was in the car was to try and get both. Wouldn't it be "team orders" had Penske put someone else in the #22 to try to help Sam get more points? At the end of the season, what it is, is what it is and they will have to deal with it.
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I've never seen it called that anywhere but the internet. Plus that doesn't mean it's just meant solely for "developing" drivers.
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Which is why I said:
"If they want to race, let them race. . .with their own money and equipment."
I know it's not that easy, sponsors duties and all that, but if NASCAR didn't see it as a problem, they wouldn't have tried to change it two years ago.
"If they want to race, let them race. . .with their own money and equipment."
I know it's not that easy, sponsors duties and all that, but if NASCAR didn't see it as a problem, they wouldn't have tried to change it two years ago.
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Also If your going to gain owners points on the 54, better take full advantage of the opportunity when Kyles not it the car. They did that today. The 22 raced at the end and beat the 12, thats how racing works. Its Sams responsibility to race hard for the win, not Joeys to make it easy for him to race for a championship. I think the Penske teams made the right choice.
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Yeah, I mean, before the 2000's era of the Busch/Nationwide series, it really was it's own series, much like the trucks are now (for the most part). You had guys that stayed in the Busch series for their entire careers and were successful and happy with that.
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Exactly. It just happens to be that they are less popular than the Cup series and are not the focal point of Nascar.
You know what would be hilarious to see. Is someone like Brad Keselowski or Joey Logano "quit" their Cup careers and race Nationwide series. Would that be ok? Or is that not allowed since they just win too much period. And an even funnier thing to think about would be Kyle Busch doing that. I guess winning too much in one series is a bad thing. See: Jimmie Johnson
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