According to the Five Star Racing Bodies site a full body will cost $7897. NASCAR K&N Pro Series - ARCA Racing Series Composite Bodies: Five Star Race Car Bodies
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No it doesnt function as a splitter but it is a splitter shape, which is why the car looks so bad. They need to choose one or the other, go with a valence or go with a splitter, not a valence hanging off of a splitter. It looks like crap that way
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This is correct. If you look at a Gen6, Nationwide, or even CWTS truck now, you'll see the splitter is actually a layer underneath the nose mold. This K&N car does not have that bottom splitter layer, but a front valence skirt instead like old Gen4 cars had.
The orange along the bottom of the nose is the splitter. The K&N car's nose also has the grey portion, but a valence skirt instead of the splitter underneath it.
I agree, it looks very much awkward, but at least we won't have much trouble differing that nose from the other major series' cars.
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They really should have reworked the front end just a bit for the valence to work better...
But all in all I am very curious as to how this will turn out, racing wise.
But all in all I am very curious as to how this will turn out, racing wise.
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At least the K&N version actually appears to have ground clearance unlike the cup series where the cars are like 2mm of the damn ground.
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^^^^This is what I was getting at. I suppose its somewhat a matter of semantics to an extent, but the point was that a splitter is a separate part/component with a specific function, which is to aid in front downforce by building high pressure above it, thus distributing lower pressure below it - in essence "splitting" the air. Hence the term "splitter".
The area in question on the new K&N/ARCA body is just part of the nose profile. The Cup car has almost the same thing (right above the splitter), except its at more of an angle, as opposed to the K&N/ARCA nose which has it closer to being parallel with the ground (purposely done so for downforce). So yea, because that area is closer to being parallel, I would agree that it does somewhat resemble a splitter. But technically speaking - not a splitter.
Ground clearance isn't a good thing. Teams are intentionally trying to put the nose as close to the track as they can. The objective is to reduce the air from getting under the car as much as possible. Air traveling under the car creates lift, which reduces grip. Less air under the car aids in downforce, which improves grip. You want that nose to be as close to the ground as possible without touching it.
That being said, the body/valance isn't really going to determine ride height/ground clearance anyways. Thats all going to be dependent on how the suspension is set up. Once you see the new K&N/ARCA cars out on the track, they too will have the nose planted.
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My point was that the front fascia should go straight down into the valence like the old Cup cars used to, instead of sticking out on that **splitter look alike/whatever you want to call it**. Because whether it functions as one or not the car has the appearance of both a splitter and a valence which ends up looking like a bulldozer. If they want a splitter use a splitter. If they want a valance (which they do), cut off the splitter from the front fascia and bolt the valance to the fascia like they did before.
And Matt the nose mold on the K&N Gen6 sticks out as much as the splitter does on the Cup Gen6, instead of just the small amount that the Cup nose mold does
And Matt the nose mold on the K&N Gen6 sticks out as much as the splitter does on the Cup Gen6, instead of just the small amount that the Cup nose mold does
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Have you seen the real thing to know this? From the pics I put up, it looks like the valence is basically attached to a Cup nose mold w/o a splitter.
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That last pic looked misleading, after looking at the #41 car you are definitely right. I still think they should get rid of that "lip"even if it is part of the nose mold. Still looks like a snowplow whether its part of the fascia or not lol.
I made a rudimentary mockup of how the "Snowplow" effect goes away when you get rid of that lip and just attatch the valence to the nose.
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Yea it would look better, but it wasn't designed that way for aesthetics. It was done to aid in downforce on the nose. And thats important, as its for K&N/ARCA. If it were the Cup car, it might be a different story. But being more of a lower level developmental series (essentially the next step up from late models), its important to keep downforce in those key areas.
Its just one of those compromises that have to be made along the way. Sometimes function has to supersede aesthetics.
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I wonder if we'll have the same type of Cup-teams-give-lower-series-teams-hand-me-downs-so-they're-basically-Cup-cars system that went on in the 90's and early 2000's.
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Probably not in this case considering Cup bodies and these new K&N bodies are 2 different materials.
EDIT: But with these bodies fitting 110'" wheelbase chassis', then yes it would be possible for NASCAR Cup/Nationwide teams to sell their old equipment to K&N teams.
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And the sizes are different as well.
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You probably posted this before I edited my post but the new K&N bodies fit 110" wheelbase chassis so they are now uniform with the Cup and Nationwide cars in that aspect.
I think NASCAR and Five Star intentionally designed the bodies with those mounting points where they are for the reason of allowing K&N teams to have the option of purchasing old equipment from NASCAR teams which they haven't been able to do in the past few years with the Cup and Nationwide series going to these new bodies and chassis.
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Well, guess we'll be looking forward to a new ARCA/K&N mod. XD
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The reason I hate this is because the only K & N or ARCA mod we'll have is a cheap Gen 6 carset(n)
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The Cup bodies aren't a modular flange-fit body. This body was designed that way to cut down on labor and costs, by eliminating the need to cut/shape/weld panels. The entire body is essentially a pre-fab'ed kit from "A-Z". Whereas, the Cup bodies have a nose clip/rear clip/hood/etc..., but also have several components that are still fabricated, so theres a lot more fit-and-finish in hanging a body.
As far as the ability to use it on Cup "hand-me-downs", I'm not sure what they're (K&N/ARCA) planning on running for a chassis, but theres a lot more to it than just the wheelbase. If they're going to be using the same chassis as right now, then no, its not a matter of just acquiring one from a Cup team and bolting a body on. The old downforce chassis and the current (or even COT) chassis are considerably different as far as front-end geometry hard points, greenhouse hard points, and that kind of deal.
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