Baker Curb losing sponsorship due to Obama...

[JeffJordan]

Time to get abstract here. Can anyone think of an anagram of Red Man Moist Snuff?

The only one I can think of it "Misnamed Turnoffs"

 

[CMennie47]

The only one I can think of it "Misnamed Turnoffs"

Genius! I'd love to see that on the #27!

 

[celticfang]

Same thing with marijuana.

Which is used medicinally in some areas, e.g. Holland, parts of the USA

 

[Fisha695]

It's not "allegedly" you can see it. Observation of a smoker's lungs at the same age 5 years after he started smoking reveals a lot of damage to the lungs. Observation of a non-smokers lungs at the same age shows much healthier lungs.

Based on a small sample of people out of the Billions (trillions?) of people that have lived on this earth throughout the course of time.

 

[Markfan]

Based on a small sample of people out of the Billions (trillions?) of people that have lived on this earth throughout the course of time.

The nicotine adheres to the walls of the lungs, reducing their efficiency to retain/obtain air. Also it contains carcinogens, materials that disrupt how the cells process and can eventually result in a disruption of the reproduction of the cells, which is what a cancer is. The accumulation of malfunctioning cells that can't stop reproducing, since usually cells that have problems will not reproduce or are countered by the immune system "heavily" enough that they are not a factor.

Alcohol also causes cancer since it screws around with the filtration cells of the liver in overdose (addiction) amounts, plus it causes disorientation which will increase the chances of a potentially fatal accident due to the lack of focus. Cars just amplify the issue since it's hard to literally "run" over someone just because they're drunk.

Drugs in general, both legal and illegal, cause similar issues as Alcohol does when used in overdose amounts. The amount that will cause adverse affects varies per drug though.

 

[Fisha695]

Using the same type of man-made studies involving man-made theories.... Nicotine has also been shown to slow and even prevent the onset of Alzheimers & Parkinsons. It has also been shown to help people with certain epileptic disorders seize less. And for people with ADHD it has been shown to have similar effects of various manufactured chemical concoctions that they prescribe you. I believe the FDA is also still studying it to find the full effects of how it helps Skitzo's not be skitzo's anymore.

 

[Kazuo]

By doing that, tho, you're starting to create a domino effect. Eating fast food causes obesity in the US, so let's ban that, too. Oh, Halo is the cause of Virginia Tech shootings, so let's ban all video games since they're all evil.

You gotta know where to draw the line, and who decides to draw the line (the FDA, apparently).

Why I say that? I've been exposed to tobacco advertising as a kid, too. I personally hate smoking and tobacco chew because of the health impairments. But generally, the tobacco users CHOSE to smoke or chew tobacco. If those help the economy, like everything else in a capitalist government, so be it. Maybe we should just impose a high tax on such a product.

That goes to hard liquor and drugs as well (except the classless ones).

It's a question of severity of effect really, smoke 20 a day for 20 years and you'll almost certainly see an impairment of your health in some form, but the same is not true of eating junk food, or violent video games. Both can be harmful, but only to a select few ie people who don't balance junk food with exercise and healthy food and people who are emotionally damaged and predisposed to the suggestive themes of violent games.

 

[Frigus5]

OK, whatever happened to just not caring? Why do we have to worry all the time about this crap. Quite honestly, sponsorship is hard to find these days and teams need all the help they can get. If Sprint wouldn't be so exclusive, there might be a chance for sponsorship, but no. The same on the Nationwide Side. R.J. Reynolds allowed other cigarette company's to sponsor, but when NEXTEL and Sprint come it, they say nooooooo way Jose. I don't care much for this. I don't mind people who smoke or chew tobacco. It's they're choice, not mine. I won't smoke or chew tobacco because of ONE car advertising it. It's the dumbest thing ever.

 

[dalejrgamer]

R.J. Reynolds allowed other cigarette company's to sponsor...

Uhh, Frigus, France allowed other cigarette companies to sponsor someone in NASCAR, but limited them to simply a 3x5 patch (which is essentially the same thing as banning other cigarette brands not from R.J. Reynolds). The reason why you see Levi Garrett, Skoal, Kodiak and what have you is because Reynolds left that loophole open...which is that only cigarette brands are banned, not smokeless tobacco.

 

[Kazuo]

OK, whatever happened to just not caring? Why do we have to worry all the time about this crap. Quite honestly, sponsorship is hard to find these days and teams need all the help they can get. If Sprint wouldn't be so exclusive, there might be a chance for sponsorship, but no. The same on the Nationwide Side. R.J. Reynolds allowed other cigarette company's to sponsor, but when NEXTEL and Sprint come it, they say nooooooo way Jose. I don't care much for this. I don't mind people who smoke or chew tobacco. It's they're choice, not mine. I won't smoke or chew tobacco because of ONE car advertising it. It's the dumbest thing ever.

That comes back to my original post on this thread, politics is everywhere and by and large effects everything, especially where money is involved. So whilst it might seem a little boring, it has a wider impact, no tobacco money means less money floating around the sport and with the economic climate still so rough (sorry somebody had to drop the EC bomb sooner or later) sponsor dollars are precious. Less money in the sport means a poorer end product for one thing and jscked up ticket and merchandise prices for another. So you see it gets everywhere. So NASCAR teams need to fight this battle and historically it's a losing one (see F1 for starters).

 

[Frigus5]

Uhh, Frigus, France allowed other cigarette companies to sponsor someone in NASCAR, but limited them to simply a 3x5 patch (which is essentially the same thing as banning other cigarette brands not from R.J. Reynolds). The reason why you see Levi Garrett, Skoal, Kodiak and what have you is because Reynolds left that loophole open...which is that only cigarette brands are banned, not smokeless tobacco.

Ah, OK. Thank you for that correction.

 

[MattSRD28]

OK, whatever happened to just not caring? Why do we have to worry all the time about this crap. Quite honestly, sponsorship is hard to find these days and teams need all the help they can get.

Why do we have to worry? Well there's this little thing called responsibility.

We have a responsibility as parents to our children to keep them safe from those who'd wish to do them harm. We also have a responsibility to each other to maintain & improve our collective society. That's just one reason why it's important to teach our kids to be drug-free. Having all sorts of tobacco/cigarette advertising doesn't exactly help with that. It's tough for a kid to be drug-free when they've already been addicted for life from a free sample from a cigarette company, or attracted to cigarettes thanks to attractive-looking cartoon characters/advertising.

I know at 14 it's a little hard to understand all this, but you'll understand it better as you grow older and have more life experience.

If Sprint wouldn't be so exclusive, there might be a chance for sponsorship, but no. The same on the Nationwide Side. R.J. Reynolds allowed other cigarette company's to sponsor, but when NEXTEL and Sprint come it, they say nooooooo way Jose.

There's a reason for that. Exclusivity builds HUGE value into the sponsorship contract. Nextel most likely wouldn't have signed the contract to become the series sponsor without the exclusivity clause.

I don't care much for this. I don't mind people who smoke or chew tobacco. It's they're choice, not mine. I won't smoke or chew tobacco because of ONE car advertising it. It's the dumbest thing ever.

It's not just about one car. It's about countless one cars, and the next one car. It's about preventing the glamorization of that which should not be glamorized. There's nothing hip, or fun, or attractive, or anything about smoking. That is all a lie. The only road smoking leads to is addiction, health problems, and the huge personal expense that both create. We don't need that crap marketed to anyone as some sort of good idea.

Smoking is a choice, once. After that, the addiction chooses for you. As someone who was partially addicted to food as an adolescent, trust me on this. Don't take addictions lightly.

 

[canadienhits]

I remember back when....we had a a RJR rep come through town occasionally...in a car painted like the Skoal Bandit.....

I used to remember not that long ago all the gimmicks that the companies tried to do to get someone to by their brand...t-shirts, cassette tapes, hats, lighters, blah, blah, blah....etc.

I respect a lot of people on this board, but I've been a smoker for 21 years, since A-school in the Navy....back then to fit in with everyone else I took up smoking.

Now I'm still smoking, after hundreds of attempts of quitting (I have low willpower).

Just my two cents.

 

[DBReaver35]

I think the biggest thing is the goverment is trying to tell you and others can and cant do like they havelack of faith in our judgement. I could go on and on but then I would really take this topic away from racing into poltics and I am not so that is all for me :realmad:

 

[JeffJordan]

It's politics. One half of America complains, they get their way. Then the other half complains. It's America.