Conway vs Gordon Round 2

[24JGM]

Situations like this are not good for our sport.

Kevin Conway is a situation that's not good for our sport.

 

[Frigus5]

I'll release a statement of my own:

As a Conway fan, I'm more disgraced than I was when Kyle Busch gave the birdie to a NASCAR official. This guy is my favorite driver. I will stick up for him no matter what. Just like I do for KB. I'm honestly ashamed of the way he went about this, but what's done is done. Why Robby was after him, I'd sure like to know. Kevin has been said to be one of the nicest guys in the garage area. If that statement is true, what the bloody heck did he do? It's his sponsor's fault for not paying Robby. Conway simply has them sponsor him.

I'm praying for the day he gets a sponsor that doesn't propel this kind of problems and jokes. Oh if only Z-Line Designs had stayed with him and not gone to Gibbs...

/My two cents.

 

[pennst24]

I'm praying for the day he gets a sponsor that doesn't propel this kind of problems and jokes. Oh if only Z-Line Designs had stayed with him and not gone to Gibbs...

He's the one who brought Z-Line to Gibbs. He raced for Gibbs in Nationwide in 2007, with the same team Kyle Busch is driving for. Conway didn't produce, so he was gone. Sadly, I believe he has the talent, just not for the top three series.

 

[Frigus5]

He's the one who brought Z-Line to Gibbs. He raced for Gibbs in Nationwide in 2007, with the same team Kyle Busch is driving for. Conway didn't produce, so he was gone. Sadly, I believe he has the talent, just not for the top three series.

Oh yeah totally. Hell, he could be the greatest road racer in the world for all we know. But he peruses NASCAR success so much. And in NASCAR, he doesn't have the keys to success. All the teams he's driven for have either been underfunded or S&P teams. Gibbs is the one exception. I've seen his results. I believe most of the poor finishes were caused by accidents. Lord knows how well he could have done if he had not been involved in those accidents or made a mistake.

 

[HMAC80]

Its like he was sent here by 4Chan to steal rookies of the year and be the head of all jokes

Exactly what I was thinking! lol

 

[RP Motorsports]

I'll release a statement of my own:

As a Conway fan, I'm more disgraced than I was when Kyle Busch gave the birdie to a NASCAR official. This guy is my favorite driver. I will stick up for him no matter what. Just like I do for KB. I'm honestly ashamed of the way he went about this, but what's done is done. Why Robby was after him, I'd sure like to know. Kevin has been said to be one of the nicest guys in the garage area. If that statement is true, what the bloody heck did he do? It's his sponsor's fault for not paying Robby. Conway simply has them sponsor him.

I'm praying for the day he gets a sponsor that doesn't propel this kind of problems and jokes. Oh if only Z-Line Designs had stayed with him and not gone to Gibbs...

/My two cents.

Robby was after him because the marketing company in which Conway is part owner of, represents Extenze (Biotab). Obviously Conway himself isnt the one cutting checks but this whole situation is kinda like a round-about way of owning a company and using it to fund your race car. With Conway being that closely involved/connected to Biotab, he damn well had some idea of what was going on. Instead though, he just stood around and acted like an innocent bystander when payments stopped being made to FRM. Then on top of it, he brings the whole debacle over to RGM, again, having some idea of what was going on. And once again, the same deal plays out with Biotab skipping out on the bill, and just like before, Conway plays the innocent bystander role and acts like he doesnt know anything about it.

EDIT: I also meant to say that we dont even know if Robby "went after" Conway. Thats what Conway says. It was an incident that nobody saw, no witnesses. Theres two sides to every story and then the truth which usually falls somewhere in between. For all we know, Conway could've provoked the whole thing by going to Robby and bitching about money he was supposedly owed. None of us know the real story though so Conway's "version" is pretty much worthless, as would be Robby's if he gave us one.




The more this whole situation plays out, the more disgusted I become with Conway and Extenze. It was bad enough that he didnt even belong in a Cup car at all. Not only that, but him and his boys knew he didnt belong in a Cup car. They had a clause in the contract that said FRM had to put him in a top 35 car as part of the deal. Of course he couldnt keep a car in the top 35 worth a damn, so FRM had to swap car numbers every other week and call upon the other two drivers to get cars back in the top 35 for Conway's sake. It was like Kvapil and Gilliland had to do the dirty work for the guy who doesnt even belong here, and then clean up his mess after the fact as well. Its all around disgraceful.

Then this whole thing with Robby plays out and he goes running to the police. I guarantee that what little respect he had in the garage area was completely lost after that. Of course none of the other guys would say anything publicly but everybody, including the drivers, teams, and NASCAR themselves knew he didnt belong in the Cup series.

After this whole "altercation", he should've done the smart thing like Robby and kept his mouth shut, but instead he chooses to make some ridiculous public statements. His whole persona reeks of a sheltered little boy that grew up with a silver spoon in his ass. When mommy and daddy arent around, you run to the police instead. What a joke.

Nemechek needs to get as far away from this deal as he can before he gets dragged into the principal's office as well. Its sad too that Conway's name will always be in the history book as '2010 Rookie of the Year' even though it was by default and he didnt do jack squat to earn it.

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now. That guy just completely disgusts me.

-Ryan

 

[dalejrgamer]

UPDATE 4 - OFFICIAL Probation: NASCAR announced that Robby Gordon, driver of the #7 Dodge in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, has been placed on probation until Dec. 31 for a rule infraction he committed March 4 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. Gordon was penalized for violating Section 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing; involved in an altercation in the garage area with another competitor) of the 2011 NASCAR rule book.(NASCAR)(3-8-2011)

 

[ayrwolf]

Next... Double secret probation!

 

[TheJ]

Next... Double secret probation!

This is robby gordon, Nascar will probably find any excuse for him to violate and suspend him

 

[RobbyG723]

To me, I think Kevin Conway is not saying something very important here.

Robby let Kevin drive his car. Robby would have to pay Kevin because of they're contract. Since Extenze sponsered the car, they have to pay Robby. Apparently, Extenze has failed to pay Robby a lot of money. Without the money, Robby can't pay Kevin.

So my 2 cents is, Kevin said something ignorant or stupid to Robby about not being payed. Robby lashed out.

Even I, A Robby fan through thick and thin, question Robby here. There's no need to let someone's comments get the best of you. Show your emotion on the racetrack, not the garage.

 

[Frigus5]

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now. That guy just completely disgusts me.

I see what you are saying. And the pain in agreeing is worse than being shot in the face and have an anvil fall on you soon after.

But all he wants to do is race. He knows how to get sponsorship and in this current economy, that's what get's you rides. He's taking advantage of it.

Is it right? Does it mean he's a great driver? No and No.

But if I could "fund my own race team" like that, I'd do it without hesitation.

I now understand a lot of this. He's clearly being a complete "a-hole". I do not like that.

But, I'm not going to stop being his fan over night. I'll still cheer him on.

Until all this bull is sorted out, I'm just gonna act like it's nothing. You may do what you wish to me about that, but I'm standing by it.

 

[GoJeffGordon24]

Extenze isn't going to be SATISFIED with this BIG robby gordon kevin conway thing. This definatly means Kevins stay with RGM will be SHORTENED quite a bit. I wonder what team SWITCH conway will make when/if robby boots him... His career was never that SUCCESSFUL.




Man, am I perverted.

 

[4WideRacing]

Extenze isn't going to be SATISFIED with this BIG robby gordon kevin conway thing. This definatly means Kevins stay with RGM will be SHORTENED quite a bit. I wonder what team SWITCH conway will make when/if robby boots him... His career was never that SUCCESSFUL.




Man, am I perverted.

He was kicked out of Robby's team last year.

 

[David24]

Extenze isn't going to be SATISFIED with this BIG robby gordon kevin conway thing. This definatly means Kevins stay with RGM will be SHORTENED quite a bit. I wonder what team SWITCH conway will make when/if robby boots him... His career was never that SUCCESSFUL.




Man, am I perverted.

 

[dalejrgamer]

Robby's definitely planning to send Conway to the mile high club, uh-huh.

 

[RP Motorsports]

But all he wants to do is race. He knows how to get sponsorship and in this current economy, that's what get's you rides.

No, he doesnt know how to get sponsorship (at least not in the traditional way) which is why he went this route, which is what gives Robby every right to be pissed off at him after the whole mess started. Having his marketing firm's partnership with Biotab is what got him the sponsorship. Biotab/Extenze may not be family, but its a very similar situation to Paul Menard, John Wes Townley, Colin Braun, etc... Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that those guys are "wrong" for using those personal connections to obtain a ride (minus Menard because he's actually got some talent). Is it somewhat unfair at times though? Yea I'd say so. Conway didnt belong in a Cup car and JWT didnt belong in a Nationwide car. During times like these though, sup-par talent with sponsorship attatched trumps good talent with little to no sponsorship.



In my personal opinion, Conway didnt really act in good faith during/after this whole debacle went down. As I said before, being that closely connected to Biotab, he damn well at least had some kind of idea of what was going on. After the whole situation played out, he had even made a statement that he "thought" Extenze/Biotab might be having some cash flow issues because of a previous lawsuit settlement. That right there shows that he knew what was going on. Again, as I said before, when this whole thing started he acted like an innocent bystander who didnt know anything about it. Then on top of it, he brings the whole mess over to RGM and coninued to play the innocent bystander role until they screwed over Robby and a second race team. I think Robby has every right to be pissed off with him.

Then after him and his boys completely screw over two race teams, $690k for RGM alone, he actually has the nerve to demand his $27k for "Rookie of the Year" money (which he shouldnt get anyways after winning it by default). Unbelievable. That speaks volumes right there as to his mentality and the kind of person he is. It reeks of the over-priviledged/sheltered type persona I talked about before. It resembles some of these completely spoiled kids now-a-days who walk around with some crazy sense of entitlement.

It made me laugh to hear him make the statement "I've worked very hard to get to the Cup series, blah blah blah". Really?? You had 26 Nationwide starts over 6 years (and didnt do jack squat in any of them) and used your company to put you in a Cup car. Give me a break. He grew up in a rich family with a silver spoon up his ass and was given everything and anything he wanted. He doesnt know anything about working hard to move up in the higher ranks of NASCAR. If I never see him in a Cup/Nationwide car again, it'll be too soon.

-Ryan

 

[dalejrgamer]

Mike —

I read something this weekend about Robby Gordon and Kevin Conway fighting over some legal issues with the ExtenZe sponsorship. Can you tell us what you know? — Tara C., Oswego, NY

Sorry Tara, but I don’t know much more than what I have read too. But here’s my take on the whole deal:

I think that sponsorships are hard to come by. Very hard. With the economy being as flaccid as it is, having rock-solid sponsorship is like having good blood-flow — it’s difficult to survive without it. Several years ago, one of The Home Depot’s associate sponsors was RIGID. That was a really good sponsorship.

It takes a healthy budget to run up front, especially if you want to penetrate the top 12. You’ve got to have a firm financial program if you want to be competitive.

Other than that, all I’ve heard was that Robby kicked Kevin’s ass. But I wasn’t there.

By the way, if you’ve laughed at this for more than four hours, please consult with your physician.

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[RP Motorsports]

I was listening to Sirius a couple nights ago and they had Conway on the phone to give his "version" of the incident. According to him Robby went all around the garage area looking for him, and then after finding him, got up in his face, grabbed him by the neck and threw him on the ground. Then after giving his "version" he specifically said "and there was a ton of witnesses who have given their statement". Those were his exact words. Then I just read a little while ago that the sheriff in charge of investigating the incident stated yesterday "There was no damage or injuries, and there were no witnesses".

Shows how credible Conway is. I never believed him for a second but as this whole thing has played out, he makes himself look more and more like an ass with every day that passes. What a clown. He really reminds me of that sheltered over-protected kid that we all went to school with. Someone has words with him and he runs to the principal's office and says he got beat up. I used to think he was just a joke when it came to driving race cars but now its pretty obvious he's a joke all around. I hope he continues to make himself look like an idiot and dig his hole deeper and deeper. Hopefully it will all but assure we wont see him in a race car anytime soon if ever.

Sorry, I'm ranting again.

-Ryan

 

[ffhd1clt]

You're absolutely right that there's no comparison between Paul Menard and Conway. Paul was a proven competitor who brought REAL money from a REAL sponsor as well. You're also right that RGM only took a chance on Conway because of the promise of REAL money. When RGM was in danger of falling out of the top 35 because of Conway's poor performance, Robby REQUESTED permission to drive the car to keep his team inside the top 35. This would benefit all involved, so Extenze said it was OK THROUGH Conway. Now that is part of the lawsuit, and Conway is even claiming that Extenze didn't agree to let Robby drive the car with Extenze on the hood. He is suing Robby over the money NASCAR paid Robby for Conway's rookie of the year award (Conway was the only rookie, of course). Robby is owed $700,000 by Extenze, and says he will pay Conway when he is paid. RGM can't afford a hit like $700,000, and I think NASCAR should not allow Extenze to advertise on any car in any of its series until they pay their bills. NASCAR gets criticized for a lot of its decisions, but I believe this is one that would be applauded by almost everyone. How can NASCAR sit back and allow a "sponsor" to make deals in the millions with multiple teams, not pay as promised, then just move on to another team? I suppose if the teams affected were "more important," then NASCAR would step in. To top it all off, Robby and Conway get into a little pushing match (no blows were exchanged), and Conway takes it to the local police. NASCAR disputes of this kind have always been settled in the garage, and if Conway had any respect remaining in the garage, it's all gone now. Apparently, he is much more comfortable in a courtroom than on a racetrack, which makes sense because he spends much more time in court. Even in that situation, Robby is the one who got probation, mostly because their hand was forced. What goes around comes around, and I seriously doubt we will see Extenze on the hood of any car next season. Speaking of...who the hell buys that stuff anyway? Did you know there are class action lawsuits against the company as well because the product doesn't work as advertised? Come on people, if you need some help in that area, ask your doctor for some Viagra or something that really works, and is also approved by the FDA, which Extenze of course, is not.

 

[ffhd1clt]

The truth of the matter is that Robby didn't go anywhere looking for him. He walked up to Robby and got in HIS face, and Robby pushed him and he fell down. Believe me, if Robby were mad enough to go searching everywhere for him, he would have bashed his face in. Have you ever known Robby to worry about the consequences of his actions? Conway and Extenze are a disgrace to the sport.