Finally. I don't care if Cup drivers want to race in Nationwide races, but IMO it hurts the sport in general if a Cup driver ends up winning the Nationwide championship. IMO Nascar needs NEW people to market and help create hype as upcoming future stars and the best way to do that is to have a full-time Nationwide driver win the championship instead of just another Cup driver that everybody already knows.
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I think we all can agree that we all can't agree on the solution, lol. I for one don't like the idea of having only certain drivers scoring points. It only makes things trickier to understand for new comers and in a way discredits the championship.
But also I have to give Nascar credit for at least trying something. Each one of the solutions offered brings with it a set of it's own problems. Not a easy position to be in. We'll all just have to wait and see how this works.
But also I have to give Nascar credit for at least trying something. Each one of the solutions offered brings with it a set of it's own problems. Not a easy position to be in. We'll all just have to wait and see how this works.
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MarkFan, your point about the schedules is right on. NNS is a feeder series unless they drastically change the schedule. Nationwide and Trucks should be unique; the way for NASCAR to solve the cup guys in NNS problem is to change the NNS schedule to make it impossible for Cup guys to run in it.
Sadly, the NWS does need a little dose of Cup power to get people to tune in. People need to remember that the only way sponsors will pay to be on the hood of your car is if millions of people are going to see it. Cup guys add to that.
What we actually need is a restriction on how many NWS races a cup guy can run.
What we actually need is a restriction on how many NWS races a cup guy can run.
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No, I was saying is that NASCAR is trying WAY too hard to assimilate all of it's schedules, and that should be addressed first (because if they run at least half of their races at seperate tracks, it'd be less viable for cup drivers, there are so many two and three race weekends at each track that it's too easy for a driver to be successful in all three series due to the extra time spent on those courses), 2nd, they should make it so that you DO get points for being in other series, but you'd only be able to run 10 races less than maximum in a series other than the one you're mainly intended to be in. (i.e. a cup driver could only compete in 25 Nationwide and 15 Trucks max)
However, that 2nd idea also has the issue of possibly denying someone a Nationwide championship if they were in the lead, and decided to use their SC chase position instead . . . .
It's really a tough issue, but I don't like how much the one they chose hurts drivers that are trying to get introduced to cup or nationwide. (i.e. Trevor Bayne in cup or someone making the transition from trucks to cars), not to mention that it's kind of a redundant rule because it won't stop Cup domination at all.
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Problem being it's "cost-effective" for a Cup team to run the same weekend/location as the Nationwide series, as you can use some of your crew in both, plus some of the equipment (pit boxes, merchandise trailers, et al.), so I would see the organizations with Cup and Nationwide teams not wanting that at all.
I'm also thinking, it's easier for NASCAR...instead of having say....200 people at 3 different places for 600 total, have say 500 people at two (say 300 for SC/NNS and 200 for Trucks), plus you can double up on equipment there as well....
Ya know what would be a real easy way to solve this.
Truck = Ages 18 - 25 & 35 - up
NNS = Ages 20 - 30
Cup = Ages 30 & up
I don't care if you have a Cup ride lined-up or not but at the age of 25 you're out of the Truck series for at least 10 years, & at the age of 30 you're out of the NNS series for the rest of your career.
Truck = Ages 18 - 25 & 35 - up
NNS = Ages 20 - 30
Cup = Ages 30 & up
I don't care if you have a Cup ride lined-up or not but at the age of 25 you're out of the Truck series for at least 10 years, & at the age of 30 you're out of the NNS series for the rest of your career.
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I think you posted this in an earlier thread, but I remember mentioning that this age separation is too strong: Jeff Gordon, Terry LaBonte, Richard Petty, and Dale Earnhardt won their first championships before they turned 30.
Exactly it's not only way more cost effective for NASCAR (management's all there, same officials for all the races, etc) but it's also more cost effective for Goodyear, Sunoco, and most importantly the TV companies. They can use the same Cameras, same cables from the cameras to the TV truck, same Satellite uplink trucks, etc... I think that's something that people don't really understand because it's kind of the "Hidden" side of the sport.
Look at it just from the Goodyear side of things. To a triple header weekend they gotta send 2 or 3 trailers full of tires & 8 to 10 people to work the event, if each of those races were at a different track it'd be 3 trailers of tires and 3 crews of 5 to 8 people. That's a lot of extra money just for 1 weekend now imagine if the majority of the schedule was like that.
So...?
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We'd have Kyle Busch winning in the series for 5 more years.
Each driver gradually reaches their own level of prowess. Age is just a number in the sport. Kyle, who is 25, can outrun Paul Menard, even though he is 30. Not to mention that Kyle has nearly 20 wins in the top series. Menard doesn't deserve to be here but he is.
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So? Doesn't that indicate that drivers under 30 are capable of being promoted to racing in the cup based on their skill level, easily?
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How 'bout this...NASCAR hands out class A/B/C/D licenses...say A for Cup, B for NNS, C for Trucks, and D for lower series. If you have say a class A license, you can only race say 7 races outside your license group.
I know, sounds silly.
I know, sounds silly.
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Better than my idea of banning the Top 20 in the Cup from racing in the NNS and CWTS and banning the Top 35 from racing in the Trucks. And for the NNS ban people in the Top 25 from racing in the Trucks.
Yeah, but who honestly cares about owners' points? I watch it for the drivers' title, and I don't like how some guys won't be getting those points.
Except for the fact that NASCAR makes a lot of money off of their Gold Licenses which let you race in any NASCAR sanctioned series you want.
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I don't see how that's silly. Honestly, that's the best idea I've heard yet.
And Fisha, the age idea won't work. Too many drivers would be unhappy, and if I was a Kyle Busch fan, I'd be pissed if he got stuck in Nationwide.
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I think this is confusing and dumb. IMO, and some wont agree, they should make the drivers choose what series they want run in, not points. Like say if brad keselowski chooses to run the nationwide series he wouldnt be able to run in cup or trucks.
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Personally, I'd go for that. But I'd give them 12 races.
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