Gun Control?

[canadienhits]

Candein every state has a limit to how many bullets you can have in a gun. WI is 3 for shot guns. If you are hunting. Other wise it is 5 at home. Rifles very from 3-5 for hunting. At home it don't matter. Most states have the same limits for hunting. Yes I agree if you can not hit a target in 3-5 shoots. Chances are the thing you were going to kill is long gone.

You want to know whats better then hunters saftey. Some sort of gun training. Most are about 100 bucks.

And I don't mind that. Back home in Kansas (yes I'm a born an bred Kansan), hunter's safety (or gun training) is a must, and lets you know that what you use can kill deer, quail, phesant, duck, or even the occasional wolf or coyote, but it also can hurt you or someone you know. I remember also being proud to be able to take apart, clean, and put together our old M-1 in under 7 minutes. Fact is some gun owners (not all, not the majority) have NO respect for their firearms. Also I'm proud because two of my medals from the Navy are "Expert" pistol and "Marksman" rifle (I was nervous and flubbed up two targets). lol

 

[The Captain]

:-/ So, are you a Police officer?

Do you believe it would be easier to train teachers how to handle crisis and a firearm rather than put someone in the building (law enforcement) who already knows how to handle both? When I have children one day, I want to know their teachers are qualified to properly educate my children. I could not care less if one carries a firearm and would honestly feel a bit uncomfortable if they carried in the classroom. It's a school building, not a wild west saloon.

 

[S. Yogurt]

Here's my view:

I believe guns are causing more problems than they are good. Would you rather have the freedom to have guns or risk your children being killed by others abusing that right?

 

[The Captain]

Here's my view:

I believe guns are causing more problems than they are good. Would you rather have the freedom to have guns or risk your children being killed by others abusing that right?

Those who shoot up public places without a second thought likely don't care how legal that firearm is.

 

[Frigus5]

There's nothing you can do. You tighten the gun laws, lunatics will still shoot up public places. You ban guns all together, people will smuggle them and then still shoot up public places.

Really. There is nothing we or the government can do to prevent these things. Unless we live in a dome and create a society full of one specific type of person.

This really shouldn't be debated here.

 

[evan07]

I feel like there isnt much that can be done. If someone wants a bad enough gun then they will find one. I think I tighter gun laws wont fix anything. The world that we live in is just a sick place.

 

[RP Motorsports]

Here's my view:

I believe guns are causing more problems than they are good. Would you rather have the freedom to have guns or risk your children being killed by others abusing that right?

Bad guys are going to break laws and obtain guns regardless of the laws in place.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

Its time to start holding the individuals accountable, and not inanimate objects.

 

[canadienhits]

Ok, my thought on that is, why throw up your hands?

Really.

No, you won't stop every shooting no matter what. And I'm not saying it will. But you can do some responsible things.

You'll never stop drug deaths, but you can do responsible things to lower the chances.

You'll never stop automobile deaths, but you can cut them down.

Same with guns. You don't put someone who can't drive a car behind a wheel, you shouldn't put a gun in the hands of someone who can't use it properly.

Lock your firearms.

Yes, people will smuggle firearms. People will steal them. But if you do something common sense like locking them up, and that comes from responsible ownership, that cuts down the chances someone will steal that firearm.

 

[LarryFoyt50]

Here's my view:

I believe guns are causing more problems than they are good. Would you rather have the freedom to have guns or risk your children being killed by others abusing that right?

As I said earlier if we tighten to extremes, guns will come in as I said earlier....

Criminals will do anything legal or illegal.

 

[Kon]

Bad guys are going to break laws and obtain guns regardless of the laws in place.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

Its time to start holding the individuals accountable, and not inanimate objects.

You are my Hero ! 1st for your Modified project and 2nd your Gun control statement.!!

 

[canadienhits]

And this just in...two rocket launchers were turned into the annual LAPD gun turn-in.

 

[Markfan]

Bad guys are going to break laws and obtain guns regardless of the laws in place.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

Its time to start holding the individuals accountable, and not inanimate objects.

This.

Besides, even if guns and other firearms magically disappeared because a law said so, what's stopping someone from using a chainsaw or something as a melee weapon?

If a person can conceal a gun, they can conceal a balisong.

 

[Carl Robinson]

This is somewhat unrelated but john had brought this up on facebook.


I honestly wish the Game and Fish commissions of each state would come down hard on people who used assault rifles to hunt game or at least required you to purchase a separate permit to hunt with one.

Ive hunted game in this great state of AR(french for better)Kansas and honestly Ive taken down hogs the size of peterbilts that only required a single 30-06 round. I just feel it to be unfair and unnecessary.

 

[BillyJack79]

what's stopping someone from using a chainsaw or something as a melee weapon?

There's no stopping people from committing acts of violence, but....If a chainsaw had been the most dangerous weapon the guy in Conn. could get his hands on, would he have been able to kill 26 people in a matter of minutes, then himself?

 

[canadienhits]

There's no stopping people from committing acts of violence, but....If a chainsaw had been the most dangerous weapon the guy in Conn. could get his hands on, would he have been able to kill 26 people in a matter of minutes, then himself?

Actually...yes

 

[celticfang]

And this just in...two rocket launchers were turned into the annual LAPD gun turn-in.

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No, arming everybody is not the answer at all, I don't want teachers armed around kids in a school, the police are along with the military (as a rule and meant to be) trained to use guns, a general citizen isn't trained. In the Colorado shooting, a CCW holder didn't fire despite having a clear shot due to panic.

People are going to commit violence regardless of what they have to hand, should we jump to the media demanding we ban kitchen knives or potato peelers or tire irons because people have been killed with them?

I think the NRA's going about it all wrong blaming games and movies though. First off, there's never been one peer reviewed study linking game violence to real violence.

Secondly, they're easy targets.

Why not tackle the actual causes of the anger or depression rather than blame easy targets? Why not put up the money for people to get help if they aren't okay?

 

[Exterminator]

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In the Colorado shooting, a CCW holder didn't fire despite having a clear shot due to panic.

Actually, this statement is totally false!
I saw the man interviewed. He stated that he did not have a safe line of fire and was waiting for people to move out of his line of fire before discharging his weapon. The shooter saw him, and moved into a stairwell then killed himself. The CCW holder did exactly what he should have done. He did not panic, but because he did not have a clear shooting lane, he calmly waited. He did not have to wait long, because the shooter killed himself because the CCW holder acted as a responsible gun owner.

Moral of the story: More CCW holders on the streets, makes them safer for all.

 

[DERacing]

Some of you seem to be missing the point on this...

The 2nd Amendment is NOT about HUNTING! Let me say that again... NOT ABOUT HUNTING, NOT ABOUT HUNTING AMMO, NOT ABOUT HUNTING MAGAZINE CAPACITY.

It was designed to guarantee that the citizens of this country could not be a victim of a tyranical government. That is not possible if the government has more weapons capability than the citizens.

As for the two rocket launchers turned into the LAPD buy back... They are both INERT training props. Marked as such and clearly shown in the picture. Cmon guys... Really?

And saying the AR platform isnt for hunting? Ask that to the people who use it to take feral hogs in Texas about its capabilities. There are some states that allow and some that do not allow semi auto rifles for hunting. Each state is different.

As for the paperwork. Each sale of a firearm by an FFL must be completed on a federal form 4473. After the form is completed, then a background check is run through the ATF NICS system. If approved, then the sale can be completed and you may leave with the firearm or pick it up at a later time depending on your states laws.

One major problem today is that too many people, who have no idea what the hell they are talking about, but heard it from their 2nd cousins girlfriends dads uncles sisters cousin and spout off like they know it to be fact.

According to the FBI homocide stats for 2011-2012, 360 people were killed by long gun/rifle. 700+ were killed by a baseball bat. So shouldnt we outlaw the bat?

Ive said it before and I will say it again. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Some know what that means... some assume it doesnt apply to responsible owners and sporting enthusiasts unless they are hunters.

One last thing... it is a MAGAZINE. Not a clip! A magazine is a box designed to hold ammunition. A clip is just that... a clip. An M1 uses a clip. An M4/AR rifle uses a magazine.

 

[canadienhits]

Some of you seem to be missing the point on this...

The 2nd Amendment is NOT about HUNTING! Let me say that again... NOT ABOUT HUNTING, NOT ABOUT HUNTING AMMO, NOT ABOUT HUNTING MAGAZINE CAPACITY.

It was designed to guarantee that the citizens of this country could not be a victim of a tyranical government. That is not possible if the government has more weapons capability than the citizens.

As for the two rocket launchers turned into the LAPD buy back... They are both INERT training props. Marked as such and clearly shown in the picture. Cmon guys... Really?

And saying the AR platform isnt for hunting? Ask that to the people who use it to take feral hogs in Texas about its capabilities. There are some states that allow and some that do not allow semi auto rifles for hunting. Each state is different.

As for the paperwork. Each sale of a firearm by an FFL must be completed on a federal form 4473. After the form is completed, then a background check is run through the ATF NICS system. If approved, then the sale can be completed and you may leave with the firearm or pick it up at a later time depending on your states laws.

One major problem today is that too many people, who have no idea what the hell they are talking about, but heard it from their 2nd cousins girlfriends dads uncles sisters cousin and spout off like they know it to be fact.

According to the FBI homocide stats for 2011-2012, 360 people were killed by long gun/rifle. 700+ were killed by a baseball bat. So shouldnt we outlaw the bat?

Ive said it before and I will say it again. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Some know what that means... some assume it doesnt apply to responsible owners and sporting enthusiasts unless they are hunters.

One last thing... it is a MAGAZINE. Not a clip! A magazine is a box designed to hold ammunition. A clip is just that... a clip. An M1 uses a clip. An M4/AR rifle uses a magazine.

I'm not missing the point at all. If you feel the 2nd amendment should only be for protection, well that's bull.

You are worried about the government? An elected government by and for the people. Gotta ask, do you live in Montana in a compound? People should NEVER have more weaponry than the government, unless you want to overthrow A ELECTED GOVERNMENT AS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION. The same one you bring up with the 2nd amendment.

The two were training props. Please show me the markings on the Law rocket.

Feral hogs. Oh my that is a good one. Really. A .357/9mm will drop one.

A background check does not include sealed mental records.

Oh, when I was in boot camp, yes we called our M-16 magazine's clip's and vice versa.

 

[MattSRD28]

I don't understand why schools can't have the same sort of entrances and security that theme parks have. That is, gates, turnstiles where ID is presented for entry, and a small contingent of armed security present in case something goes terribly wrong.


Think about it. If it's good enough for Disneyland, where absolutely nobody objects, and is still a safe haven for children, why can't it be good enough for the schools those same kids begrudingly go to instead of the Disneyland they'd much rather go to?

And if you think that's too expensive, you're terribly mistaken. Entrance gates and security is a very manageable, very marginal overhead cost. Tell the superintendent and all the district administrators to go a year before upgrading to the new Apple iPad 73 Super Deluxe and it's paid for.