Gun Control?

[Exterminator]

Let me see,... The study you referenced is published on a website that is owned by a guy that was convicted of securities fraud. This is where you find your business news?

I'll stick with Fox. They are the only major network covering the corruption by the current regime. Their commentary programming is definitely skewed to the right, but not their hard news. In the years I have watched them, I have found their news coverage to be well balanced and complete. I will also say that many times when discussing recent events with others, I find myself correcting someone that, shall we say, is informationally challenged because they haven't been told the entire story by their news source.

I will occasionally watch other networks, but it isn't long before they upset me by putting a liberal spin on everything.

I am willing to bet that I could have answered the questions in the survey, correctly. Any study that claims NPR to be informative is suspect in my opinion. NPR has historically been liberally biased.

 

[Phantomguy24]

Let me see,... The study you referenced is published on a website that is owned by a guy that was convicted of securities fraud. This is where you find your business news?

I'll stick with Fox. They are the only major network covering the corruption by the current regime. Their commentary programming is definitely skewed to the right, but not their hard news. In the years I have watched them, I have found their news coverage to be well balanced and complete. I will also say that many times when discussing recent events with others, I find myself correcting someone that, shall we say, is informationally challenged because they haven't been told the entire story by their news source.

I will occasionally watch other networks, but it isn't long before they upset me by putting a liberal spin on everything.

I am willing to bet that I could have answered the questions in the survey, correctly. Any study that claims NPR to be informative is suspect in my opinion. NPR has historically been liberally biased.

You seem to be confusing the phrases "informative" and "balanced". Just because NPR often swings Liberal does not mean that it is not informative to a large number of people. Similarly while Fox news swings to the conservative side of things as much if not more than NPR, i can't deny that it is informative to some part of the American population. However if you believe that fox news or any news source for that matter is giving you the entire truth to a story, you are sorely mistaken. Any single news source you choose will tell you the side of the story you want to hear, whether that is the conservative or liberal side of the story, but it is only by broadening your horizons, hearing things from multiple news sources that you can truly attempt to get a full grasp on a story. I'm sure I can just as easily pull something from CNN and call you "informationally challenged" because Fox News didn't tell you that part.

 

[BillyJack79]

Let me see,... The study you referenced is published on a website that is owned by a guy that was convicted of securities fraud. This is where you find your business news?

Fairleigh Dickinson University (FDU)

The point was the study on news outlets, not the top result in the Google search.

 

[MattyO]

Thread cleaned.

Besides the obvious needless posts, I see no reason why this thread can't continue in a civil manner.

Please be respectful and don't ruin it for everyone else!

 

[DERacing]

Thank you Matt.

 

[JRRacing64]

Makes sense, lol.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngsKzdKNAmo"]Criminals For Gun Control 1 Home Invasion - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Exterminator]

Loved the video posted by JRRacing64!

I think this guy should testify before Congress!

 

[Harry Nurpplez]

Not gonna go through all seven pages(not right now anyways) but im sure this has already been said.

Mental health needs to become much much more of a priority. Though the thing is like with many of these, it was an all-of-a-sudden thing for the shooter himself let along everyone else. You just don't know most of the time it seems. What can you do anyways when there is no clue what-so-ever that someone is going to do something like this? We need to focus on the brain and not so much the guns themselves.

 

[Exterminator]

I agree that this guy, as most had some serious mental health issues.

This massacre could have been easily avoided. His mother knew he needed help, and was in the process of dealing with the legal system to have him involuntarily committed. Now, this is not easy in most states because the individuals rights need to be protected. After all, I don't know anyone that would like to be committed, especially if it is not warranted. So the individual is entitled to his day in court, and I agree with this, too.

This particular incident, is all the fault of the guy's mother! She was well aware that he was becoming less stable, and that is why she was in the process of having him committed.

Any person in this situation that does not secure their weapons, is not doing their community or the individual with the issues, any good at all. If he had not killed her, I'm sure she would have been prosecuted. It is sad that so many have died as a result of her negligence. The press has been too kind in describing her in their coverage.

They have presented her in a positive light. They have placed blame on the weapons, the state health department, the NRA and anything else they can think of, in an effort to spin this issue towards gun control and restriction of freedom.

Now, for my opinion:
This massacre is a direct result of her negligence in failing to secure her weapons, and lack of supervision of her son. She may have even contributed to this event, by teaching him to shoot. Somehow, I have never understood why anyone will take someone with obvious mental issues, and teach them to shoot. Perhaps she too, had some mental issues. Her poor judgement is solely to blame for this. No law that will ever prevent poor judgement. Laws can only deal with results of poor judgement. I realize she had many challenges in dealing with him. But this was all her fault!

 

[DERacing]

I agree that this guy, as most had some serious mental health issues.

This massacre could have been easily avoided. His mother knew he needed help, and was in the process of dealing with the legal system to have him involuntarily committed. Now, this is not easy in most states because the individuals rights need to be protected. After all, I don't know anyone that would like to be committed, especially if it is not warranted. So the individual is entitled to his day in court, and I agree with this, too.

This particular incident, is all the fault of the guy's mother! She was well aware that he was becoming less stable, and that is why she was in the process of having him committed.

Any person in this situation that does not secure their weapons, is not doing their community or the individual with the issues, any good at all. If he had not killed her, I'm sure she would have been prosecuted. It is sad that so many have died as a result of her negligence. The press has been too kind in describing her in their coverage.

They have presented her in a positive light. They have placed blame on the weapons, the state health department, the NRA and anything else they can think of, in an effort to spin this issue towards gun control and restriction of freedom.

Now, for my opinion:
This massacre is a direct result of her negligence in failing to secure her weapons, and lack of supervision of her son. She may have even contributed to this event, by teaching him to shoot. Somehow, I have never understood why anyone will take someone with obvious mental issues, and teach them to shoot. Perhaps she too, had some mental issues. Her poor judgement is solely to blame for this. No law that will ever prevent poor judgement. Laws can only deal with results of poor judgement. I realize she had many challenges in dealing with him. But this was all her fault!

I agree with that up to a point. We have not heard yet how exactly he did acquire the weapons or how they were stored. Was it a combination lock? Most gun cabinets tumbler locks can be easily picked same as key locks. Was it an electronic lock? Maybe he was looking over his mothers shoulder one time. Maybe he stole her keys and opened the safe while she slept. There are so many scenarios that could play out with this. We just dont know until the reports are released.

Again, I am not sticking up for the mother but I am not ready to completely condemn her just yet. As for trying to have him committed, I am sure she felt as if she was giving up on him at this point. Being a parent, I can see a different perspective on this. Yes he had mental deficiencies and she had sought out treatment but to no avail.

Ultimately, the true blame is on the shooter. HE knew what he was doing and the consequences of his own actions. If not, why did he duck off into the closet area and bite a bullet once he realized that the police were on the scene and a few feet away from him? Autistic, Aspergers, Mental Retardation, whatever... He had the correct frame of mind to understand that what he did was WRONG and that there would be consequences for his actions. This is not something that someone with some sort of mental issues on the higher spectrum plans to do. And this was planned. The destruction of the PC reflected that.

 

[Exterminator]

DERacing,

You and I are mostly on the same page with this issue. I am willing to bet that if you were faced with her situation, you would have found a secure place outside of the home to keep your weapons. Parents need to be really tuned into their children. Most parents have learned to spot little things and are able to help their child long before a situation can evolve into a tragedy.

I will say that I believe that most kids will sometimes "root" around to see what kind of stuff their parents may be hiding from them. Especially between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
This is why we secure our weapons(not just firearms) when we have children in the home.

I understand that any lock can be defeated by someone with a little skill. I have picked my share of locks and even got into a safe once, for which a friend had forgotten the combination.

In this case, this mother had known her son had been troubled for many years, and things had recently gotten so bad she was trying to have him committed. This is surely an indication that she could no longer control him, and must have been worried about him hurting himself or others. I heard a report that said she knew he had been cutting himself. This is not something that most parents are not equipped to help with. I'm sure she was heartbroken. I am very thankful not to have been in her situation.

Hopefully, parents of similarly disturbed children, have learned a valuable lesson from this tragedy.

Admittedly, none of us were there, and thank God none of us had to deal with this young man.

 

[DERacing]

DERacing,

You and I are mostly on the same page with this issue. I am willing to bet that if you were faced with her situation, you would have found a secure place outside of the home to keep your weapons. Parents need to be really tuned into their children. Most parents have learned to spot little things and are able to help their child long before a situation can evolve into a tragedy.

I will say that I believe that most kids will sometimes "root" around to see what kind of stuff their parents may be hiding from them. Especially between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
This is why we secure our weapons(not just firearms) when we have children in the home.

I understand that any lock can be defeated by someone with a little skill. I have picked my share of locks and even got into a safe once, for which a friend had forgotten the combination.

In this case, this mother had known her son had been troubled for many years, and things had recently gotten so bad she was trying to have him committed. This is surely an indication that she could no longer control him, and must have been worried about him hurting himself or others. I heard a report that said she knew he had been cutting himself. This is not something that most parents are not equipped to help with. I'm sure she was heartbroken. I am very thankful not to have been in her situation.

Hopefully, parents of similarly disturbed children, have learned a valuable lesson from this tragedy.

Admittedly, none of us were there, and thank God none of us had to deal with this young man.

Agreed completely!!