Jeremy Tests Positive (Mayfield court discussion)

[fl17fan]

NASCAR has proved nothing...Mayfield has taken tests at different labs multiple times a week and not had a fail...then all of a sudden he's failed another "NASCAR" test...and then a woman (his stepmother) suspected of murdering his father is NASCAR's only evidence or witness....

...France needs to go, this (no matter who's wrong) is ridiculous...NASCAR is hurting financially...and now emotionally because these two's bickering feud. At least he says he is having all of these independant tests done...

 

[Ten0r]

Alright guys let's calm down the thread. We need to get everyone to "discuss" not badger everyone else for their thoughts. The moderators have an eye for this thread now so you have been warned.

Discussions welcome, beating down others for having an opinion not allowed.
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Now that that's out of the way. I don't know who to believe more, Mayfield or NASCAR. IMO, Mayfield just doesn't have anyone to complain about for his lack of performance. As for the tests, the reason Mayfields own tests haven't come back positive is because his attorney and NASCAR's haven't agreed upon a non-biased lab. Mayfields tests mean nothing because he's doing it with his own money to a lab who might want NASCAR to go down....that's not to say NASCAR isn't biased in its own right, but they're the governing body.

The stepmom thing is a little out of line. The police investigation (hear that Mayfield, the POLICE did the investigation) shows that it was a suicide. They were unable to find any evidence that she was involved in it, yet Mayfield claims she was. Also, there's not been a shred of evidence that NASCAR paid her for her affidavit, but we'll find out soon enough.

Ever since the Evernham incident, I've really struggled to enjoy Mayfield on the track...I even root for him (as a driver) to miss the race (though I feel bad for the guys at his shop when that happens). If he just took the darned rehab, he wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Rather than doing rehab, he's lost his team, his money, and he's paying some high priced lawyer who'll be reeling in money for years while this is tied up in court. No matter who's at fault for these "positive" test results, Mayfield should have just taken the high road and saved face and his cash.

 

[beatnik]

Alright guys let's calm down the thread. We need to get everyone to "discuss" not badger everyone else for their thoughts. The moderators have an eye for this thread now so you have been warned.

Discussions welcome, beating down others for having an opinion not allowed.
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Now that that's out of the way. I don't know who to believe more, Mayfield or NASCAR. IMO, Mayfield just doesn't have anyone to complain about for his lack of performance. As for the tests, the reason Mayfields own tests haven't come back positive is because his attorney and NASCAR's haven't agreed upon a non-biased lab. Mayfields tests mean nothing because he's doing it with his own money to a lab who might want NASCAR to go down....that's not to say NASCAR isn't biased in its own right, but they're the governing body.

The stepmom thing is a little out of line. The police investigation (hear that Mayfield, the POLICE did the investigation) shows that it was a suicide. They were unable to find any evidence that she was involved in it, yet Mayfield claims she was. Also, there's not been a shred of evidence that NASCAR paid her for her affidavit, but we'll find out soon enough.

Ever since the Evernham incident, I've really struggled to enjoy Mayfield on the track...I even root for him (as a driver) to miss the race (though I feel bad for the guys at his shop when that happens). If he just took the darned rehab, he wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Rather than doing rehab, he's lost his team, his money, and he's paying some high priced lawyer who'll be reeling in money for years while this is tied up in court. No matter who's at fault for these "positive" test results, Mayfield should have just taken the high road and saved face and his cash.

The way I see it...any man willing to sacrifice his career to clear his name, is definitley a man I could see having a great point to prove. Seeing how NASCAR continuously drops the ball (anyone remember Mark Martin being screwed in the early 90s?) on being unbiased with it's competititors...after all there is no real board of directors, it's juts France.

 

[DannyM]

The way I see it...any man willing to sacrifice his career to clear his name, is definitley a man I could see having a great point to prove. Seeing how NASCAR continuously drops the ball (anyone remember Mark Martin being screwed in the early 90s?) on being unbiased with it's competititors...after all there is no real board of directors, it's juts France.

Yeah, my dad said Mark was on drugs back then, and when he race at the springfield fairgrounds.

 

[beatnik]

It wasn't for drugs lol. NASCAR kept confiscating his chasis, at the end of all the controversey Earnhardt won the championship (94).

 

[Fisha695]

Ok here are a few different posts of mine from a few different places, but I'm just going to roll them into one big post here... lol

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Aegis labs does test the following sports sanctioning bodies in addition to NASCAR
NFL
NHL
CFL
MLB
NBA
NCAA
CATS
WWE
TNA
UFC/WEC
Various other MMA promotions
Various Boxing promotions
Various other racing leagues
Tour de France
American & Canadian Olympic teams
And many many other pro/amateur sports.

Why would they choose to pick on some “never-was” NASCAR driver, when they had so many other Big Stars that they could use to make examples out of.

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If his stepmom would have been a suspect in is fathers death the police would have taken care of her the other year.

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I know of two people who have ties to Mayfield. One is a Motorsports Photographer who has traveled the NASCAR circuit for more then a decade and the other was involved with racing with him back in Kentucky. They both say he is a liar, a doper, and a thief. The Photographer who knows him till this day claims that him and his stepmom were very close and spent a lot of time together.

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Mayfield NASCAR paid off the lab to make him test positive. What is to say that Mayfield isn't the one paying off labs to make him test negative?

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Anybody else that Mayfield changes his stories every time he tells them?

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Several people around various sites have said that it'd show in he was on Meth, he'd have no teeth and bad hair and all kinds of stuff. However that is not really the case. Yes for people who use tons of it and all the time it is, but for the user who only likes a little now and then, they would have no noticeable appearance traits different from a non-user. I actually know a girl who is a partier and who does smoke Meth (as well as does other drugs) when she goes out and parties on the weekends, and aside from being a little slutty/skanky, she is actually pretty attractive and fun to be around, and if I didn't know she used I would never suspect it.

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So I'm looking at Mayfields released test and the more I look at that test, the more I see that I disagree with.

1. Why did he only get tested for those two drugs, if he had nothing to hide?
2. Why did he get the test done at a Private botox/Laser Hair Removal place?
3. Detection Time and Test levels. I’m going to explain this more below.

According to LabCorp (the lab that did the test for him) Meth can only be detected for up to about 48 hours in urine. That means if he didn’t use within 2 days prior to the test he should have been fine. (In the words of Billy Mays), “But Wait There’s More”.

The Labcorp GC/MS test that he had done only tests for meth at levels of 500 ng/mL (meaning that much needed for positive)
The Aegis GC/MS test that NASCAR had done tests for meth at levels of 100 ng/mL (meaning that much needed for positive)

That means that the Aegis test is Five times more accurate then the one that Mayfield had done. Which means that Mayfield passed the test on a “Bell-Curve”. The NASCAR policy uses the standards of Aegis, if he does not fall within those limits then he has failed the test. It's no different then grade-school grades. Some places use 90-100% for an 'A', some places use 94-100% for an 'A', If you are in a school that uses 94-100% and you get a 93% well then you didn't get an 'A'. It's as plain and simple as that.

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Like I said those are some of my replies/research on the Methfield topic from various places that I post, just rolled into one big post for here.

 

[DannyM]

You know a guy that seen him do meth?

 

[NDilbeckWx]

Now to add to the latest of this saga....



Mayfield now claims that NASCAR "spiked" his sample...

Thatsracin.com:

CHARLOTTE -- Jeremy Mayfield feels some sense of vindication.

"We’re very excited about the results," he told NewsChannel 36 after an independent lab, LabCorp, sent results to Mayfield’s attorneys showing he tested negative for meth. Those results are from a urine sample he gave within an hour of giving a separate urine sample to NASCAR, though NASCAR's lab results claim Mayfield tested positive for the drug.

Asked how both tests can come back with two different results Mayfield said, "That's what we’d like to know and that's what we’re gonna find out."

Mayfield's attorney suggests NASCAR might be "spiking" the sample.

And Mayfield agrees. "It’s for sure a spiked sample," he said.

Mayfield says his lawyers have had him tested repeatedly, and the only samples that have come up positive for meth are the ones NASCAR has tested. "They are hell-bent on proving Jeremy Mayfield is wrong. They keep digging themselves a hole [and it] keeps getting bigger and bigger," said John Buric who is representing Mayfield.

Mayfield says it’s just driving his goal to prove his innocence.

"I’m in this for the long haul," he said. "We’re gonna fight it out."

Even though the veteran driver knows he'll never race again.

"I know better," he said. "Nobody's gonna touch me, it’s not gonna happen. Now that I don't have to worry about going back racing - because obviously they are not going to let me - I don't have to worry about what I say. It’s like the bully in school [who] got a hold of the wrong little guy."

When asked for comment on the latest independent test results, NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston responded: "They seem to be light on details don't you think? It's all pretty transparent. We will continue to let real science and sworn affidavits do our talking."

 

[beatnik]

It’s like the bully in school [who] got a hold of the wrong little guy."

Tellem Jeremy!

 

[DBReaver35]

Who is to say that Mayfield "spiked" his own samples to nascar so he would fail to start this messing hoping Nascar would sooner or later settle and he would get more money then he would ever get racing. But who is to know?

The reality of this is Jeremy is going to either go all out and lose everything in this mess or he will drop it and vanish off the map. Nascar isnt going to settle when they believe they are in the right. So its going to come down to game of chicken so to speak. Nascar will battle him in courts until he gives up or goes broke.

 

[MattSRD28]

I hear a greater beef that Jeremy has with NASCAR that extends far beyond any drug testing, that he's likely held within for years, and it's leading him to globalize and hyperbolize his case a bit, which hurts it.

I also hear from NASCAR how seriously they take possible drugged driving. That has lead to them looking like engaging in a bit of overkill, which hurts their image when the case is reported and presented a certain way.

The fact that this is in court, and in the public eye as much as it is, is really quite unfortunate. I don't think anyone here would really believe NASCAR is a big bunch of bullies with the sole objective to ruin Jeremy Mayfield's life. I also don't think anyone here really believes that Mayfield is a hardcore meth addict. Nevertheless, to read what's being printed in the media about this story, it would be really easy to reach either one of these conclusions.

It's sad to me that this happens, but, I believe we will get to the bottom of this, and the real truth will come out. Hopefully we can focus on the actual facts of this case, not idle speculation.

Finally, as Tenor said, badgering each other for holding the opinions that they hold simply will not be tolerated. If you disagree, present a case WHY you disagree. Don't just call someone a name, etc for not agreeing with you. We're looking for discussion that would happen at an adult table here, not "discussion" found on most elementary school playgrounds.

 

[MattyO]

Well said!

 

[dalejrgamer]

I hear a greater beef that Jeremy has with NASCAR that extends far beyond any drug testing, that he's likely held within for years, and it's leading him to globalize and hyperbolize his case a bit, which hurts it.

I also hear from NASCAR how seriously they take possible drugged driving. That has lead to them looking like engaging in a bit of overkill, which hurts their image when the case is reported and presented a certain way.

The fact that this is in court, and in the public eye as much as it is, is really quite unfortunate. I don't think anyone here would really believe NASCAR is a big bunch of bullies with the sole objective to ruin Jeremy Mayfield's life. I also don't think anyone here really believes that Mayfield is a hardcore meth addict. Nevertheless, to read what's being printed in the media about this story, it would be really easy to reach either one of these conclusions.

It's sad to me that this happens, but, I believe we will get to the bottom of this, and the real truth will come out. Hopefully we can focus on the actual facts of this case, not idle speculation.

Finally, as Tenor said, badgering each other for holding the opinions that they hold simply will not be tolerated. If you disagree, present a case WHY you disagree. Don't just call someone a name, etc for not agreeing with you. We're looking for discussion that would happen at an adult table here, not "discussion" found on most elementary school playgrounds.

This. [explicative] this.

Those morons at Jayski/ESPN Conversations should read your post because that's what they have been doing: calling out NASCAR as a bunch of bullies trying to bring down the "little guys."

 

[beatnik]

This. [explicative] this.

Those morons at Jayski/ESPN Conversations should read your post because that's what they have been doing: calling out NASCAR as a bunch of bullies trying to bring down the "little guys."

NASCAR is a dictatorship...they do as France says. NASCAR can do anything they want to anyone, if they don't want you...you don't race. This is politics, naiveness can be blinding.

 

[fl17fan]

All sports sanctioning bodies are dictatorships in their area. Some one has to be in charge for the organization as a whole to get anywhere. I an earlier post some one else said that NASCAR uses the same company to process the tests as the NFL, NBA and any number of other major sports leagues. IMO, this for one thing, gives the tests conducted by NASCAR more credability. NASCAR has nothing to gain by spiking drug tests. If they don't want a driver around, they could find other ways of accomplishing that than to illegally tamper with a drup test. No one challenges the NFL when a player fails a drup test, the player is suspended and goes to therapy or other treatment so that he can get back to the sport. Mayfield, rather than admitting that he may have a problem, took the whole thing to court. If he was innocent, then no problem, but his failure of the first official drug test after he won his injuction tells me he most likely has a problem and I would not want him on the track with me until it is proven that he isn't using meth or any other illegal drugs. For me it is a safety issue for the other drivers, crew members, and fans at the track each week. If any driver or crew member is using, it compromises everyones safety.

 

[dalejrgamer]

Besides, NASCAR and their lawyers are savy and more importantly, not retarded. Why should they spike a test, especially given the credibility they already have to the fan's eye?

The right thing for Mayfield to do is just drop the lawsuit, get the help he needed, apologize to the fans, and he'll be back (so I can point and laugh at him). That's good PR right there. Hey, as much as I don't like Manny Ramirez, he did, in fact, apologize to the fans for using banned substances.

Mayfield doesn't need a lawsuit, he just needs good PR. So does NASCAR to a certain extent.

 

[beatnik]

I am going to laugh uncontrollably when this blows up in NASCAR's face. I can understand believing NASCAR wouldn't waste their time on a thing such as this, but at some point you've got to know to look beyond the surface. I for one would hate to see NASCAR end up being the culprit here, but there's just so much evidence supporting Mayfield's claim. I mean having OFFICIAL documentation of another drug test less than an hour after his NASCAR test and it coming back clean?

 

[fl17fan]

But the documentation of his private test is suspect as it has no name on it, only a number. How do we know that he even had a test done and didn't just get a paper that showed a negative result? I also read yesterday that the test NASCAR runs looks for a much smaller reading to get the positive result than the test Mayfield is having done. It is a difference of 500 ml on Mayfields test to 100 ml on NASCAR's test. That is a big difference and could answer why Mayfield's test show negative when NASCAR is getting a positive.
Mayfield needs to just drop the lawsuit and get some help. NASCAR may not always be right, but they are not going to spike a urine sample just to make an example of some one. Mayfield has brought way more attention to the whole thing by all the publicity he has drawn to himself and if he had just admitted to a problem and gotten help, NASCAR may have already cleared him on their own by now and he could have been racing a month ago.
The person who screams the loudest at the positive reading is the adict who refuses to admit he has a problem.

 

[beatnik]

But the documentation of his private test is suspect as it has no name on it, only a number.

NASCAR may not always be right

Well a judge has already told NASCAR no once, and let's not forget NASCAR's original evidence...a broken seal on a urine container. I mean you can make all the excuses in the book on how this wouldn't "help" NASCAR or vice versa, but it still doesn't take away the fact that as of this day, Mayfield has more evidence supporting his claim for innocence than NASCAR does for his guilt.

Not quite sure how I understand some of you are looking past these facts or just plain ignoring them?

 

[jazarovitz]

The one thing I think people are forgetting is that he was taking a prescription drug. I know a couple of Pharmacy techs that said the drug he was taking could give a false positive on a test depending on their own bodies chemical make-up, the same way mouthwash can give a false reading on a breathe analyzer. In this situation you have NASCAR's version, Mayfield's version and then the truth, which I think we will never really know. I believe this will hurt all before this is all over regardless of right or wrong. One other thing to think about is his wife. I have been married for 17 years and if I was wrong about something there is now way that my wife would allow me to throw everything away. So with this thought, why is his wife right beside him helping him with his case. just my thoughts.

Joe