Jeremy Tests Positive (Mayfield court discussion)

[Lap_Down]

A few years ago I remember watching Jeremy Mayfield and his wife in that Nascar Reality show on FX, I think it was called Nascar 360 or something in which they followed like 4 or 5 different drivers beyond the track (including Dale Jr. for a little while, Woohoo, lol) and into their homes and everything. Jeremy, Shana and their two dogs were the most interesting couple on the show IMO... whomever is in the right here it is a sad day when a racer is not be able to race for whatever the reason.

 

[MattSRD28]

Not quite sure how I understand some of you are looking past these facts or just plain ignoring them?

People look at the same facts and come to different conclusions all the time. The conclusion you've come to may, or may not be the correct one. That's up to the court to decide.

I would recommend that people don't dissect the evidence that's come up in the media for several reasons. The biggest one being that we can't possibly know every single piece of evidence in the case. What people are likely going on here is what they've read from a media source that's only presenting what they've chosen to present, which means it's been filtered through whatever objective the media organization has vis a vis the Mayfield case. The only way to really use the evidence to come to the conclusion is to have been in the courtroom during all procedures thus far. No one who posts on these boards has done that to my knowledge, so I would recommend avoiding any minutia-level discussion regarding the evidence.

Let's be honest here, no test has a 100% accuracy rate. There are always possibilities, and extenuating circumstances. We really should wait and watch what actually takes place because certainly at this point, we can't possibly know all the facts in this case. For right now, I'd say NASCAR is totally in the right with the indefinite suspension of Mayfield, and it should be reinstated. If there's even the slightest chance that a driver is on drugs, he should not be on the racetrack. Period.

 

[fl17fan]

For right now, I'd say NASCAR is totally in the right with the indefinite suspension of Mayfield, and it should be reinstated. If there's even the slightest chance that a driver is on drugs, he should not be on the racetrack. Period.

I agree 100 percent. How can anyone even think about endangering the safety of everyone else on the track if there is a question as to whether or not he is on drugs?

 

[beatnik]

I agree 100 percent. How can anyone even think about endangering the safety of everyone else on the track if there is a question as to whether or not he is on drugs?

Because there should be rock hard evidence to support the claim that someone even
may be on drugs. You can't stop someone from doing their job just because you think they're doing something wrong.

 

[Enter Sandman]

A woman I work with everyone knew had an alcohol problem, but they could not fire her until they caught her doing something wrong (sipping vodka out of a water bottle). That's what Nascar thinks they did with Mayfield. Whichever side is right, we'll find out once the court proceedings are over in about 5 years or so. For now it's just a very messy situation and will continue to be so

 

[jazarovitz]

I agree that someone on drugs should not be in a race car. The issue I see here is a test positive (once out how many test over the years)and you become a drug addict. So does that mean I pop positive (could have just woke up and brushed teeth and rinsed with mouthwash) on a breathe analyzer I'm a drunk. I see what Mayfield is complaining about. In any bussiness in this country that does drug testing if your pop positive there is a time frame to be retested and analyzed by multiple labs, that did not happen here. From the start soon as he popped positive he was already called a drug addict with no time to see if there was problem with the test itself that caused the positive result. I am not saying he is innocent or guilty, that is not my place. I believe NASCAR could have handled the situation differently. Like maybe behind closed doors until the issue was proven one way or another.

 

[fl17fan]

There was an A sample and a B sample which both showed positive. I used to work for a trucking company and under DOT you have to do random testing. We had a driver test positive on a breathalizer and he was terminated that day, end of story. You can not take a chance when some one is driving a 3400 pound car at close to 200 MPH. IMO the same suspension should happen whether it is Mayfield or Jeff Gordon or Tony Stewart or any other driver who tests positive. Get them off the track and then you have time to make sure everything is correct, but why take the chance with the safety of the other competitors at the track?

 

[psugorilla]

But the documentation of his private test is suspect as it has no name on it, only a number. How do we know that he even had a test done and didn't just get a paper that showed a negative result? I also read yesterday that the test NASCAR runs looks for a much smaller reading to get the positive result than the test Mayfield is having done. It is a difference of 500 ml on Mayfields test to 100 ml on NASCAR's test. That is a big difference and could answer why Mayfield's test show negative when NASCAR is getting a positive.
Mayfield needs to just drop the lawsuit and get some help. NASCAR may not always be right, but they are not going to spike a urine sample just to make an example of some one. Mayfield has brought way more attention to the whole thing by all the publicity he has drawn to himself and if he had just admitted to a problem and gotten help, NASCAR may have already cleared him on their own by now and he could have been racing a month ago.
The person who screams the loudest at the positive reading is the adict who refuses to admit he has a problem.

I have to disagree. Yes, Aegis tests for a smaller concentration but, if you read the numbers the amount shown in Mayfield's system was rather high and would definitely have showed up on the Labcorp test. The test itself is not suspect. Your claims of it being so because "it has no name on it, just a number" is invalid. Most lab results come back with just a serial number like that. Labcorp has always done it that way and most labs do. Just as the people in the lab itself are supposed to have no name identifier to the sample they are testing. It appears to me that Aegis leaves the name.
Yes, there is a major motive to spiking the urine.

Nascar, Aegis, Dr. Black, are all defendants in the case. You can't possibly expect me, or anyone for that matter, to believe they would let a sample come back negative?!! That would simply ruin Nascar's case against Mayfield and make it look more like a false positive to begin with.
Nascar is set on proving Mayfield's guilt simply because they need to save face themselves.

As for Mayfield flying under the radar, I dont think he should. For the first month and a half he, and his lawyers had kept pretty quiet but Nascar insisted on pushing the issue with the media and constantly talking down Mayfield. After the injunction Mayfield spoke up. I for one am glad he is lashing out. Nascar couldnt keep their mouths shut so why should he?

There is no way Mayfield would be running right now if he had just stayed quiet and went through the re-instatement process. Maybe by the second half of next year but not this season.

 

[jazarovitz]

I have done work for DOT, OSHA and DOD. I have taken lots of drug tests over the years and before you even take the test you are issued your rights and responsibilities. These explain your right to request a second test within 72 hours in most cases at a second lab. Mayfield was not able to have this done. Even when I was in the Military you had the right to question the results and request a second test to be performed. I have seen people have false positives on some of these tests do to prescribed drugs they were taking. I am not saying that Mayfield should be allowed to race right now but I feel NASCAR violated his rights to a fair trial per say. He was guilty before he had a right to defend himself. The last time I checked that was a violation to your civil rights this nation provides. I am not saying Mayfield is guilty or innocent but he was unable to have the b sample tested by someone else. Whether Mayfield is found innocent or guilty I feel NASCAR will be found in the wrong for not allowing the rights to test at a second lab. I beleivee the courts will find the truth whatever it is and make the right decision. I also believe that if Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, either Busch, or Dale Jr. had a positive result we would not know until NASCAR had plenty of prove from multiple labs and witnesses. I feel because Mayfield is not a bigger name NASCAR is trying to use him to prove a point and use him as an example. Just my opinion and experiences so please do get upset with my words.

Joe

 

[fl17fan]

I have done work for DOT, OSHA and DOD. I have taken lots of drug tests over the years and before you even take the test you are issued your rights and responsibilities. These explain your right to request a second test within 72 hours in most cases at a second lab. Mayfield was not able to have this done. Even when I was in the Military you had the right to question the results and request a second test to be performed. I have seen people have false positives on some of these tests do to prescribed drugs they were taking. I am not saying that Mayfield should be allowed to race right now but I feel NASCAR violated his rights to a fair trial per say. He was guilty before he had a right to defend himself. The last time I checked that was a violation to your civil rights this nation provides. I am not saying Mayfield is guilty or innocent but he was unable to have the b sample tested by someone else. Whether Mayfield is found innocent or guilty I feel NASCAR will be found in the wrong for not allowing the rights to test at a second lab. I beleivee the courts will find the truth whatever it is and make the right decision. I also believe that if Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, either Busch, or Dale Jr. had a positive result we would not know until NASCAR had plenty of prove from multiple labs and witnesses. I feel because Mayfield is not a bigger name NASCAR is trying to use him to prove a point and use him as an example. Just my opinion and experiences so please do get upset with my words.

Every DOT drug test I ever did had a place to list out any prescription drugs you were on so they would know if they showed up on your test. And even if you are taking advantage of the 72 hours to have an alternate test completed, you won't be in the drivers seat until it is resolved.

. Most lab results come back with just a serial number like that.

I saw Mayfield's own attorney on TV and he said that the lack of a name on the report was a problem as well.

Both parties in this could have handled it differently and better. The courts should be able to resolve this situation and we can all move on. Unfortunately, Mayfield's career is over due to all of this because, whatever the result, there will always be the question that will come to mind when his name is mentioned.

 

[beatnik]

there will always be the question that will come to mind when his name is mentioned.

Which is the entire reason he is fighting. He couldn't financially support his team before he failed the test, he just doesn't want to go out this way.

 

[hammer26tn]

I agree 100 percent. How can anyone even think about endangering the safety of everyone else on the track if there is a question as to whether or not he is on drugs?

but that's a double-edged sword. if it's a matter of "question", ANY one driver, no matter how popular could SUDDENLY come into "question". NASCAR isn't gonna put their cash cows in the limelight for negative publicity. they are more likely to pick on the less popular drivers. jeremy mayfield is case in point

 

[hammer26tn]

I have to disagree. Yes, Aegis tests for a smaller concentration but, if you read the numbers the amount shown in Mayfield's system was rather high and would definitely have showed up on the Labcorp test. The test itself is not suspect. Your claims of it being so because "it has no name on it, just a number" is invalid. Most lab results come back with just a serial number like that. Labcorp has always done it that way and most labs do. Just as the people in the lab itself are supposed to have no name identifier to the sample they are testing. It appears to me that Aegis leaves the name.
Yes, there is a major motive to spiking the urine.

Nascar, Aegis, Dr. Black, are all defendants in the case. You can't possibly expect me, or anyone for that matter, to believe they would let a sample come back negative?!! That would simply ruin Nascar's case against Mayfield and make it look more like a false positive to begin with.
Nascar is set on proving Mayfield's guilt simply because they need to save face themselves.

As for Mayfield flying under the radar, I dont think he should. For the first month and a half he, and his lawyers had kept pretty quiet but Nascar insisted on pushing the issue with the media and constantly talking down Mayfield. After the injunction Mayfield spoke up. I for one am glad he is lashing out. Nascar couldnt keep their mouths shut so why should he?

There is no way Mayfield would be running right now if he had just stayed quiet and went through the re-instatement process. Maybe by the second half of next year but not this season.

how about a hair sample? piss tests are unreliable. hair samples have an extensive timeline. now jeremy mayfield still has hair. if he was to suddenly show up bald, that would be very suspicious.

 

[MattyO]

Independent test negative for meth

Thought you guys might want to read this in case you haven't heard yet.

Associated Press

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- An independent drug test on Jeremy Mayfield was negative for methamphetamines, contradicting the results of a NASCAR test taken 40 minutes earlier, the driver claimed in court documents filed Tuesday.

In response to NASCAR's claim that Mayfield again tested positive for methamphetamines on July 6, Mayfield submitted an affidavit to the U.S. District Court that said he traveled to Frye Regional Medical Center in Hickory, N.C., right after NASCAR collected a sample at his Catawba County home.

In a room he described as "very sterile," Mayfield said he emptied his pockets, washed his hands and was ushered into a bathroom, where he provided another urine sample.

Mayfield said in the court filing he received confirmation from Laboratory Corporation of America in Raleigh, N.C., that his sample was negative on July 10 -- the same day NASCAR informed his counsel that its sample was positive.

He said the results of his test are "consistent with my lifestyle as I have not and do not use or abuse methamphetamines.

"It is impossible for methamphetamine to be in my body as I have never consumed that substance."

Dr. Harold Schueler of the Broward County (Fla.) Medical Examiner's Office, filed an affidavit on behalf of Mayfield that claimed the levels of methamphetamine in NASCAR's test are "astronomical" and "could not be remotely accurate, unless Mr. Mayfield was deceased or a chronic abuser."

The filing also denied accusations made last week by his estranged former stepmother, who said in her own affidavit she witnessed Mayfield use methamphetamines at least 30 times and that the driver cooked it himself until the ingredients became too hard to obtain. She also said she witnessed him use the drug at Darlington Raceway in 1999.

"I deny Lisa Mayfield's allegation that I used, cooked or purchased methamphetamines," Mayfield wrote. "Lisa Mayfield's assertion that I used methamphetamine just prior to the 1999 Darlington race is a lie. I finished second in the 1999 Darlington race."

There were two races at Darlington in 1999, and Mayfield finished second and third. Lisa Mayfield's affidavit, submitted last week by NASCAR, did not specify before which race she witnessed him using drugs.

Mayfield was suspended May 9 for failing a random drug test taken eight days earlier for what NASCAR has said was a positive test for methamphetamines. The driver sued, and a federal judge issued an injunction July 1 that lifted his suspension based on the argument that NASCAR's testing system is flawed.

NASCAR asked U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen last week to reverse the injunction based on new evidence -- the failed July 6 test and Lisa Mayfield's sworn testimony.

Mayfield's attorneys on Tuesday argued in their response that the July 6 test results -- positive or negative -- should not be taken into consideration because the case is about a failed May 1 test.

"This Court's preliminary injunction lifted a suspension for a drug test performed on May 1, 2009, the questionable circumstances surrounding which necessarily remain unchanged," they wrote.

Mayfield also disputed NASCAR's chronology of the July 6 testing sequence, in which the sanctioning body claims he delayed giving a sample for more than seven hours.

Although Mayfield attorney John Buric has said Mayfield submitted to an independent test during that seven-hour span, the only test results mentioned in Tuesday's filing are of the 9 p.m. trip to Frye Medical Center.

Buric did not immediately respond to a call and an e-mail from The Associated Press.

Mayfield said in his affidavit that he was at a lab waiting to be tested around 5 p.m. when NASCAR ordered him home to meet their collectors. His affidavit makes no mention of him actually giving a sample -- which Buric has said the driver was doing during the time NASCAR could not locate him for its own test.


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

 

[Frigus5]

HA!!! I KNEW IT!

 

[beatnik]

lol...

 

[Fisha695]

IDR if I already posted this in this thread or not (even if I did, this one has links.. lol)


Bottom line is:
Aegis Amphetamine (Adderall®) Reporting Limit = 100 ng/mL
Aegis Methamphetamine (ICE) Reporting Limit = 100 ng/mL

LabCorp Amphetamine Reporting Limit = 500 ng/mL
LabCorp Methamphetamine Reporting Limit = 500 ng/mL

You can have 101 ng/mL and fail the Aegis one because you are not within the limits.
You can have 499 ng/mL and pass the LabCorp one because you are within the limits.
NASCAR like just about every other professional (and most amateur) sports uses Aegis, which means to be "legal" you have to be within the Aegis limits

Here are two examples to kinda put that in perspective.

Ex 1 - If an 'A' at the school you go to is a 94% and above, even though at another school it may be 90% and above, if you get a 93% at your school it's a 'B' no matter if it would be an 'A' at another school.

Ex 2 - Some roads are 55mph, some roads are 25mph. If you get caught going 55mph in a 25mph zone, it's illegal no matter if another road in the area is 55mph or not.

 

[Frigus5]

That is true.

 

[NDilbeckWx]

Mayfield is banned again. just announced during practice on ESPN

 

[beatnik]

Now the fun begins lol.