Johanna Long or Danica Patrick.

[rocketman]

Jenn Jo....for what she does in third hand equipment, better than both.

Best one of all...Erin Crocker. Too bad she screwed herself up with Ray Evernham (altho they are nicely married

I don't think Crocker was all that good.

 

[K.Chuck]

Danica - Too much hype over her. Has the Eq , but has not really shown the desire to race NASCAR Style.

No desire? Really? She changed her whole life to give a full commitment to race NASCAR. For her own desire of the challenge, not the fans, or sponsors, or anyone else . Shes not here for the hype, she cant control that. Shes here to race and takes it very professionally. As far as the cars, I would not call it on par wit RCR, Roush, or Gibbs. BK is the only one that could win in that equipment and that was the old car. I think they are improving but thus far she hasn't had top notch equipment.

Dont get me wrong I love Johanna, and she has a hell of a desire, and is in sub par equipment. I just think your Danica statement was a bit unfair.

 

[The Captain]

No desire? Really? She changed her whole life to give a full commitment to race NASCAR. For her own desire of the challenge, not the fans, or sponsors, or anyone else . Shes not here for the hype, she cant control that. Shes here to race and takes it very professionally. As far as the cars, I would not call it on par wit RCR, Roush, or Gibbs. BK is the only one that could win in that equipment and that was the old car. I think they are improving but thus far she hasn't had top notch equipment.

Dont get me wrong I love Johanna, and she has a hell of a desire, and is in sub par equipment. I just think your Danica statement was a bit unfair.

This. Danica wants to succeed and be seen as a winner. You have to take into account that this is her first full year in these cars after two very limited schedules. She's essentially still a rookie. She will start showing what she's made of later this year in my opinion. Right now it seems like her goal is still to get better and finish.

 

[RP Motorsports]

Its threads like this that just reaffirm what I already knew. Theres always going to be people who were never going to give Danica a fair chance, even before she ever climbed into a stock car for the first time. And most of those people dont even really know why they hate her. They complain about all the attention she receives, and therefore, hate her because of it. When in reality, if you're going to hate anyone, it should be the media. They're the ones who create the hype. Danica (or Earnhardt Jr., or anyone else) isnt asking for it.

I dont like the way Danica goes off on any driver she has an incident with.

I think thats a little bit of an exaggeration. She doesnt go off on every driver she has an incident with. Does she usually have something to say about it over the radio? Absolutely. And so does every other driver when the same thing happens to them. That includes Johanna Long. You just dont hear about it as often because those drivers dont receive as much attention/scrutiny.

Johanna without a doubt. She's not over rated and obviously a lot nicer.

Just curious, how exactly is she over rated? Nobody ever claimed she was going to come to NASCAR and win races and whoop up on the field. In fact, nobody even claimed she would be great. Yea she gets alot of attention in the media and what not, but thats not over rating her. An over rated driver would be someone like Joey Logano. "The next great thing since sliced bread", and yet he struggles for a top 15 finish (although, that could be changing now). Danica is FAR from over rated.

As far as who is obviously a nicer person, I'll just ask this question if I could - How long have you known them both personally? And I dont mean that in a snippy way or anything like that. I just dont think any of us are in a position to judge or proclaim who the "nicer" driver is (with any drivers) when none of us know them personally. Thats just my .02.

I don't think Crocker was all that good.

Cocker had alot of talent. She was probably the most talented female to race in NASCAR (at least the modern era). Although, if Danica continues running well, and even better, I'd be inclined to give her that distinction. But Crocker did have the raw talent. You could especially see it when she ran sprint cars. Unfortunally, she basically screwed up her whole career with the whole Evernham affair. Granted, she was pretty young at the time, so I'd probably put it more on Ray than I would her.

 

[sness48]

both. snowball derby winner and a indycar racer. they are race car drivers.

 

[Mystical]

I applaud all of the female racers

I agree. I like seeing more of them racing as the years go by.

 

[SBJR7]

Well, overall female drivers I would have to say Kurt Bu..... Oh, the others, I believe Jimmy Spencer does a great job holding his own too...

But to tell the truth, I think you can't compare. Two different series, two different women, and two different wallet sizes. Women in NASCAR is great, love to see more of them. They do attract interest....to the cars of course.

 

[burtonbraves]

Just curious, how exactly is she over rated? Nobody ever claimed she was going to come to NASCAR and win races and whoop up on the field. In fact, nobody even claimed she would be great. Yea she gets alot of attention in the media and what not, but thats not over rating her. An over rated driver would be someone like Joey Logano. "The next great thing since sliced bread", and yet he struggles for a top 15 finish (although, that could be changing now). Danica is FAR from over rated.

As far as who is obviously a nicer person, I'll just ask this question if I could - How long have you known them both personally? And I dont mean that in a snippy way or anything like that. I just dont think any of us are in a position to judge or proclaim who the "nicer" driver is (with any drivers) when none of us know them personally. Thats just my .02.

Well, maybe over rated wasn't the word. But still, that's all the reporters ever seem to focus on, even if she's running 27th 2 laps down, they go to her. Now I know, she runs well a lot, and she deserves some attention. but seriously, that's not really necessary, in my opinion.

Now, obviously, I don't know either of them on a personal level. But the reason I said that is because when she's on camera, she usually makes a lot of snide remarks, or sometimes personal attacks. Now from this past weekend, I've gained a lot of respect for her, but still, I've never seen Johanna act in an angry way, on the track or off.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think. This thread is opinion based anyways. That's my opinion.

 

[jacobc62]

OK, Danica has 3 wins and WAS leading the points in my offline leauge, NAVRAR, effectively kicking 31 guys' butts.

Jo Long (not even in my leauge) is a great driver, and doesn't wreck in most of the races she runs in (lol).

Who wins my vote? BOTH! Why? Both are hot, both drive very fast vehicles, and both have the potential to win, if/when given the chance. Granted Danica wrecks in every race she runs at Daytona, but that's just bad luck, it doesn't mean she sucks (NOT THAT KIND OF SUCK!!!!), it just means that she is learning more about racing in NASCAR, and think about it.... She hasn't wrecked the same way twice at Daytona! Correct me if I'm wrong. Jo just need equipment from guys like RCR, or even RFR! Jo (and Danica) have proven time and time again that they have the ability, and that they can run well. They just need more time to develop thier skills with racing and, more importantly, leading races and not wrecking. It's just a matter of time before we see one of them (or even another female racer) in a NASCAR victory lane!

 

[ayrwolf]

Johanna by far. If you count the Snowball Derby with some of the most talented short trackers around as a major race Johanna and the princess have equal number of wins. Johanna beat the boys fair and square, Danica hers on fuel mileage. Other than karts Danica has a total of ONE win in every professional series that she has raced in. Having seen her in person she is NOT HOT! Photoshop does amazing things for a body. P.S. 2 votes for the Cope twins

 

[NNS]

I have to say Long, Danica can even perform with Jr motor sports backing

 

[The Captain]

A driver actually developing apparently doesn't mean much to people anymore. I guess everyone here is a bunch of naturals.

 

[jacobc62]

I just say that this was Johanna Long, not Jennifer Jo Cobb! :facepalm: I thought we were talkin about Jennifer. I guess she would be on my list as well.

 

[DannyM]

Long by far! Patrick just marketing....

 

[labonte21]

I have decided to add a poll to the thread.

 

[forrest.vaughan]

If you are able to put all the media attention aside, I still think Danica is the better driver at this point. Its they media hype that distorts view (positive and negative) on her.

 

[denyerfan]

Danica is a much better driver - but her real personality (not the professional media junkie one) is terrible.

I made this decision based on numerous events, like acting like she wants to fight guys, when she and everyone else knows they can't do anything in return.
Running almost dead last at surfers, coming into a pile-up late, spinning and stalling - then gesturing rudely and aggressively to the marshalls to help her first, and not the 5 or 6 cars ahead of her who have been there longer.

She has a big ego and I really don't think she's a very nice person! Ah and on Letterman... not that bright, funny or interesting . . .

The gender thing has NOTHING to do with it! If she was a guy I'd hate her even more actually.

 

[kevin29]

i like them both. jo has a great future and needs better stuff to race and once she gets the good teams looking at her she will win, win alot. danica just need to practice and learn this type of racing more. a few dirt races could help her too.

 

[4WideRacing]

Danica is a much better driver - but her real personality (not the professional media junkie one) is terrible.

I made this decision based on numerous events, like acting like she wants to fight guys, when she and everyone else knows they can't do anything in return.
Running almost dead last at surfers, coming into a pile-up late, spinning and stalling - then gesturing rudely and aggressively to the marshalls to help her first, and not the 5 or 6 cars ahead of her who have been there longer.

She has a big ego and I really don't think she's a very nice person! Ah and on Letterman... not that bright, funny or interesting . . .

The gender thing has NOTHING to do with it! If she was a guy I'd hate her even more actually.

I would hate to think of how Johanna races. :-/