Kurt Suspended

[The Captain]

Oh so now it's Allgaier's fault. Because we all know exactly what Allgaier said as soon as he approached Busch. I know mos of you are set in your opinion, and that's fine, but think this through. The only person making Kurt Busch look bad is Kurt Busch. It's not like anyone is acting on accusations. The ammo against Kurt Busch came out of his own mouth and happened around cameras and microphones. He's a grown man acting like an eight year old who doesn't get a video game. I'd like to see some of you go to work and threaten to beat the crap out of someone while they're asking you a question. You'd likely be punished or lucky to even be employed for more than five minutes after it happened. When you're job is as high profile as Kurt's, you're already under a microscope. Take into account that your job status is in the hands of two totally different authority figures, then you best straighten up and act right if one punishes you. Sorry, but NASCAR doesn't want the inmates running the asylum.

 

[MattSRD28]

If Kurt Busch were to come on this message board and mouth off like that, he'd be infracted for violating our forum rules. If he had a past history of infractions, he'd be facing a ban.

Kurt Busch has mouthed off to reporters in the past, and was placed on probation for it among other circumstances. When he did it again this time, he was suspended/banned for a race.

Everybody seeing the pattern here? Doesn't matter where or who you are - if there are standards/rules of conduct, you abide by them, or you face the consequences.

To those who blame the media for asking the question, do the words "don't shoot the messenger" mean anything to you? It is the media's JOB to ask questions. They're not restricted in the kinds of questions they ask. Moreover, every driver is asked for their permission to speak with the media BEFORE the media ever asks one question to them. Kurt Busch had numerous opportunities to prevent this latest mouthing off from ever happening, and he never once made the choice to avoid it. He gave consent for the interview, and then gave the profanity-laced answer to the question. That is flat out no-excuse stupid on its face. It becomes expoentially worse when you consider Kurt has a past history of this, including consequences. I'll say it again - Kurt Busch is an idiot. He has no one to blame for this but himself.

Over the past 8 months, I sure would not want to be Kurt & Kyle Busch's parents. I'm sure they're living comfortably, but that's gotta be embarassing to see their kids acting like that.

 

[Carl Robinson]

So my last few points on this before hoping on the OMG GUYZ SRD JUST HATES ANYTHING BUSCH.

>Kurt knew he was on probation beforehand so why he didnt just walk away. Rattles my own brain. I work with some of the worse people to ever hold a manager title, and they always bait traps for associates to walk into. So If I at 8.25 an hour know its better to walk way. Busch at 2 million a year should to.

> Some things that contributed were just bad luck.
While Kurt did bring this upon himself by telling a reporter he'd layeth the samketh downeth. He hasnt had the easiest of seasons (even though it is his fault) so im sure those fustrations of not being able to perform as expected and for Finch have boiled inside of him.

> Kurt May not return to the 51
Finch may be alot of things one of those being a man of his word. I could see if he lashed out on the reporter and that was it but he has lashed out on Finchs people and his equipment that he pays for out of pocket. You can only throw so many rocks at a mule before it kicks you.

However maybe just maybe this day off will be good for him. I know everybody will say that it isnt and he will just go back to old kurt. I look at the situation like this JGR has shown intrest Monster, has shown intrest all kurt has to do is just crawl through the season and the rest could fall into place.

 

[Relly]

Oh so now it's Allgaier's fault. Because we all know exactly what Allgaier said as soon as he approached Busch. I know mos of you are set in your opinion, and that's fine, but think this through. The only person making Kurt Busch look bad is Kurt Busch. It's not like anyone is acting on accusations. The ammo against Kurt Busch came out of his own mouth and happened around cameras and microphones. He's a grown man acting like an eight year old who doesn't get a video game. I'd like to see some of you go to work and threaten to beat the crap out of someone while they're asking you a question. You'd likely be punished or lucky to even be employed for more than five minutes after it happened. When you're job is as high profile as Kurt's, you're already under a microscope. Take into account that your job status is in the hands of two totally different authority figures, then you best straighten up and act right if one punishes you. Sorry, but NASCAR doesn't want the inmates running the asylum.

I wasn't trying to imply it was Allgaier's fault, I was just pondering if anything would be different if Allgaier didn't approach him. I think with Kurt being Kurt he probably still would have done/said something stupid. What I pointed out with Allgaier approaching him after the race was just something I noticed while watching post race footage.

 

[TJBartel]

Reports: NASCAR champ Tony Stewart defends Kurt Busch's comments to reporter - NASCAR News | FOX Sports on MSN

 

[nascarfreak88]

Reports: NASCAR champ Tony Stewart defends Kurt Busch's comments to reporter - NASCAR News | FOX Sports on MSN

Reminds me of how Tony openly sarcastically criticized NASCAR at Talladega. Don't know if that's relevant or not.

 

[MillsLayne]

Tony also has struck photographers before. Nothing happened to him. And he also has a history of running his mouth.

 

[MattSRD28]

Tony also has struck photographers before. Nothing happened to him. And he also has a history of running his mouth.

Um, not quite.

Yes Tony punched a photographer 10 years ago at Indy, in the chest, and even the photographer said the incident was being blown out of proportion. Tony was fined, placed on probation until the end of the season, and was required to make public apology to the reporter. For his hot head reputation that he was earning, the next day after penalties were announced, Tony stated to reporters that he was going to seek professional help for anger management issues. While Tony was on probation in 2001 for an incident that happened after the July Daytona race, it had expired at the end of the 2001 season. The reporter incident did not occur while Tony was under probation for a past incident.

Kurt probably would have met similar consequences, had he not recently incurred them for his tirade to Dr. Jerry Punch. With Kurt, Nascar had to ask themselves what "probation" to them is supposed to mean. It's extremely rare that a driver have another incident while currently on probation, much less a near identical incident like Kurt had. Evidently violation of probation, at least in this case, means suspension for the weekend.

There's nothing inconsistent here that I can see. I'd love for Kurt Busch, and Kyle Busch for that matter, to announce that they're seeking professional help for anger issues. I don't expect it to happen though. They seem quite content to act however they choose to act, no matter what the consequences or how much they lose in the process. It's that loss that I find sad. It's a huge price to pay for a chip on the shoulder.

 

[MillsLayne]

^I agree with the fact that his incident with Punch certainly pushed it to this point, I still can't see where saying something is considered a more punishable offense than actually making contact with someone, probation or not. I do, however, also agree that if Kurt were to actually take anger management classes, things would only get better for him. And with Kyle, he seems to be making progress this year with his attitude. Granted, I said the same thing last year and then Darlington happened, and the rest of the year went seemingly downhill. But I'm holding out hope for Kyle, as he does seem to be calmed down a bit. I think the repercussions from his Texas incident scared him quite a bit.

 

[TJBartel]

I am not saying Kurt is not at fault in this, and we all know his history.
Tony was fined by his sponsor, not NASCAR. And Tony did have a history of anger issues at the time. Perhaps NASCAR just felt they couldn't take a chance with Kurt in terms of it escelating further? I don't know, but its not consistant.
One thing that was stated by at least one person in this discussion is that it is the media's job to "create a story", that is totally wrong. Creating stories is called "fiction" and there is a huge section for it in the bookkstore. A reporter's job is to report the facts of what happened so the viewer/reader can make their own judgement. And these media turds are so stupid, everytime a driver blows a motor or blows a right front tire resulting in a crash will get asked the same stupid question;"did you have any indication before it happened"? Of course you'd think the drivers would be ready for the stuppid question, some are some aren't.
Media=jokec.c

 

[MattSRD28]

^I agree with the fact that his incident with Punch certainly pushed it to this point, I still can't see where saying something is considered a more punishable offense than actually making contact with someone, probation or not.

But it's the presence of probation that elevated the consequences of this incident to Kurt being suspended for the weekend. That's an important part of the context of the situation. You've got to consider context when comparing this incident to others, or else you'll find fool's gold instances of inconsistency.

Tony was fined by his sponsor, not NASCAR.

Home Depot fined Tony $50,000. Nascar fined him $10,000.

Perhaps NASCAR just felt they couldn't take a chance with Kurt in terms of it escelating further? I don't know, but its not consistant.

Tony was not on probation when he struck a reporter. Kurt was on probation for the same type of incident when he mouthed off last week. Different circumstances yield different disciplinary outcomes.

And these media turds are so stupid, everytime a driver blows a motor or blows a right front tire resulting in a crash will get asked the same stupid question;"did you have any indication before it happened"? Of course you'd think the drivers would be ready for the stuppid question, some are some aren't.

Again, it's the media's job to ask questions. If the drivers aren't prepared to answer them, they need to decline the interview. That's why every driver is always asked for their consent to speak with the media first before any media is allowed near them.

Of course media must conduct themselves with a certain amount of professionalism, but simply asking questions about what happened with consent from a driver is completely within their bounds of jurisdiction.

 

[Harry Nurpplez]

Im not surprised at all about this. Both Busch brothers have to be bi-polar or something...clearly. Also, don't know if this was mentioned but I read that Kurt has called Finch a million times and Finch hasn't talked to him.