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Kyle Busch the greatest minor league racer in Nascar.

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I am sorry if anyone takes offense to this. Kyle dominates Nationwide and Trucks no doubt. But Cup is really the only thing that matters. DW always talks about this kid like he is the greatest. Makes me sick. Winning in the minor leagues means absolutely nothing. Jimmie Johnson rules the big leagues. And Busch gets talked about more. Weird.:-/
 

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Kyle also does very well in the Cup series he just doesn't close the deal as much. Nationwide and truck series are easier to win in but still have amazing competition that he has to beat. Jeff Gordon said that Kyle was the most talented driver in the garage area other than JJ.
 

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I won't take anything away from Kyle in Cup. Just most of his publicity stems from the minor leagues. I don't mind him racing there but the press just talks about how many races he won in three series. How many laps he led in all three series. It is overplayed. In Cup Kyle over runs his car quite a bit. He will lead for a while and his stuff will get worn out and he loses the lead. In Nationwide all the races are a tapered spacer. Most of the time if you can keep your foot to the floor you will run up front. Cup, you have to drive and conserve your stuff.
 

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Through 6 full seasons Kyle has 19 CUP wins. Through 6 full time seasons in CUP Dale Earnhardt Sr had 11. I am in no way suggesting that Kyle is better than Dale Earnhardt, but this whole "he can't win in cup" thing is just as overplayed (and inaccurate) by his naysayers as his nationwide and truck stats are by his supporters. Why is it everyone complains about how much Kyle is talked about, but didn't complain about the guy that finished 4th last week getting more coverage than the guy that won?
 
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Well said hman24. I tend to agree with Gordon's comments about Kyle's talent.
as far as closing the deal is concerned, look out cause he's starting to show definite signs of maturity and that will help him win even mores races, and eventually the CUP

I for one think that; love him or hate him, Kyle brings a level of excitement to all 3 series that is vital to the health of Nascar as a sport.
 

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I for one think that; love him or hate him, Kyle brings a level of excitement to all 3 series that is vital to the health of Nascar as a sport.

Exactly. Without him Nascar would be somewhat dull.
 

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Does anyone remember people complaining when Mark Martin was a cup driver dominating in the Busch series? I wasn't around when that was happening.
 

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Does anyone remember people complaining when Mark Martin was a cup driver dominating in the Busch series? I wasn't around when that was happening.

I never heard anyone complain about that. Amazingly I never heard anyone complain about a blue and yellow #3 car winning in Daytona last July which also took place in the so called minor leagues.
 

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What Kyle has done in his career, no matter the series, is incredible. You cannot deny that.

He's a racing addict. Any chance to race he has, he's gonna take it.

And he's dang good at it too. Not to mention, any 'minor leaguer' as you call it that beats him, either caught him on a bad day, or has one hell of a lot of talent.
 

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I for one think that; love him or hate him, Kyle brings a level of excitement to all 3 series that is vital to the health of Nascar as a sport.
Watching him in the All-Star race the past couple of years has been crazy entertaining and I don't even like the guy.

Does anyone remember people complaining when Mark Martin was a cup driver dominating in the Busch series? I wasn't around when that was happening.

I was not a big fan of that.

I never heard anyone complain about that. Amazingly I never heard anyone complain about a blue and yellow #3 car winning in Daytona last July which also took place in the so called minor leagues.

That's because Jr only runs 3-5 Nationwide races each year and only wins them on occasion whereas Kyle runs the majority of the Nationwide Series and a decent amount of truck races and wins over and over and over and over. I honestly have a hard time watching truck racing anymore because when I see Kyle Busch is driving I can pretty much tell you what's going to happen. No doubt he's an awesome driver, but I just feel he could concentrate that all into his Cup efforts. The trucks and Nationwide series are where guys should prove themselves worthy of the top. I think Kyle proved that a long time ago.
 

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maybe there should be a "handicap" system for the bushwackers? that'd be interesting.
 

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Kyle indeed is a great driver. But I agree with the comments that say that he focus too much on Nationwide and Camping World and sometimes lets his Cup performance slide. I believe he would've already gotten a championship had he not wasted a lot of his talent in Nationwide and Truck.
 

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The deal with Mark Martin he wasn't running 30 NWS races in a season and winning the owners title he ran no more than 15 races in any season and the most races he won was 7 that is not dominating if you ask me. Kyle runs 30 races and wins 13 of them or 10 or 9. And as far as that "blue and yellow number 3" it was one of like 5 races and Daytona is a place where he is just good so leave him out of it. I don't have a problem with his talents or the way he races I do think he is talented whether I like him or not but he needs to not run as many races I would rather have he run 15 races and win them all then run 30 and win 13 and finish second in the rest. It gives other drivers a chance.

Unbelieveable stat Busch has 528 NASCAR starts 1000 is the magic number it's like 3000 hits in baseball. The guy is almost 26 with that many starts, unheard of.
 

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I think that, for starters, you shouldn't be able to race a car/truck for your own team.

Honestly, the guys that can really dominate in the Nationwide and Truck Series are being suppressed because the Cup drivers are driving in it.

Even in the early 2000's I remember guys that made the series what it was at it's best, people like Jason Keller and Randy Lajoie, and now Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards make the series what it is: Boring. Very, very boring, because the winner is usually one of four people: Kyle, Carl, Brad Keselowski, or Kevin Harvick, and it's really easy to predict based on the kind of track. It's a shame that NASCAR's solution is to make them run harder for wins instead of exterminating them from the series.
 

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maybe there should be a "handicap" system for the bushwackers? that'd be interesting.

This is what I say tell the cup guys they get 50 races a year including cup races so that means 36 cup races and 14 races you can choose which ones how many whatever.
 

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Watching him in the All-Star race the past couple of years has been crazy entertaining and I don't even like the guy.



I was not a big fan of that.



That's because Jr only runs 3-5 Nationwide races each year and only wins them on occasion whereas Kyle runs the majority of the Nationwide Series and a decent amount of truck races and wins over and over and over and over. I honestly have a hard time watching truck racing anymore because when I see Kyle Busch is driving I can pretty much tell you what's going to happen. No doubt he's an awesome driver, but I just feel he could concentrate that all into his Cup efforts. The trucks and Nationwide series are where guys should prove themselves worthy of the top. I think Kyle proved that a long time ago.

I would rather see Nationwide drivers winning Nationwide races too and agree 100 % on that, but I fault NASCAR for that, not Kyle. They had the opportunity to fix that this year and didn't. Its also not like he's the only Cup driver that runs the minor series. Carl Edwards has been running the ENTIRE schedule in NNS for several years now. You know how many discussions I've seen bashing him for running Nationwide races? Very few. When Clint Bowyer and Harvick were winning Championships in Nationwide well after they went full time cup and still nowhere near the number of people complained then as they do when Kyle does it. I didn't hear many people complaining about Brad last year either. If people want the cup drivers out that's fine, but it can't be we just want Kyle out because he wins all the time.
 

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Does anyone remember people complaining when Mark Martin was a cup driver dominating in the Busch series? I wasn't around when that was happening.

That was when we didn't have the Internet like we do today where the fans could complain. I kinda miss that lol.
 

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I would rather see Nationwide drivers winning Nationwide races too and agree 100 % on that, but I fault NASCAR for that, not Kyle. They had the opportunity to fix that this year and didn't. Its also not like he's the only Cup driver that runs the minor series. Carl Edwards has been running the ENTIRE schedule in NNS for several years now. You know how many discussions I've seen bashing him for running Nationwide races? Very few. When Clint Bowyer and Harvick were winning Championships in Nationwide well after they went full time cup and still nowhere near the number of people complained then as they do when Kyle does it. I didn't hear many people complaining about Brad last year either. If people want the cup drivers out that's fine, but it can't be we just want Kyle out because he wins all the time.

But the problem is that Kyle does win all the time those other guys you mentioned didn't win 13 races in the season look at the stats and I don't count Keselowski cause it was the first year in cup running full time he was still gaaining experience he only had two full NWS seasons and then run both series last year.
 

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The deal with Mark Martin he wasn't running 30 NWS races in a season and winning the owners title he ran no more than 15 races in any season and the most races he won was 7 that is not dominating if you ask me. Kyle runs 30 races and wins 13 of them or 10 or 9. And as far as that "blue and yellow number 3" it was one of like 5 races and Daytona is a place where he is just good so leave him out of it. I don't have a problem with his talents or the way he races I do think he is talented whether I like him or not but he needs to not run as many races I would rather have he run 15 races and win them all then run 30 and win 13 and finish second in the rest. It gives other drivers a chance.

Unbelieveable stat Busch has 528 NASCAR starts 1000 is the magic number it's like 3000 hits in baseball. The guy is almost 26 with that many starts, unheard of.
By that Logic I could say that Kyle is just good Everywhere so leave him out of it. My point is that people only complain when Kyle does it. Either its okay for everyone to do or not okay. We can't have special Kyle Busch rules just to make people that dislike him happy.
 

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By that Logic I could say that Kyle is just good Everywhere so leave him out of it. My point is that people only complain when Kyle does it. Either its okay for everyone to do or not okay. We can't have special Kyle Busch rules just to make people that dislike him happy.

I don't like any of them doing it don't get me wrong Edwards has run 7 straight full seasons thats stupid but no one wins like Kyle I just would like him to scale back like maybe he sould'nt run this weekend for example and do like he did for the truck races in Darlington and let some one else drive that awesome car.
 
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