Kyle Busch the greatest minor league racer in Nascar.

[Enter Sandman]

What if guys deliberately try not to win so they can keep racing in Nationwide?

Damn, David Ragan already had this thought in the Daytona 500...

 

[kwillymac]

They do that with every major star, not just Kyle. When Dale Jr does ANYTHING it gets ran into the ground. The coverage post race last week was a perfect example of that. Jeff Gordon (my all time favorite driver) also gets covered constantly regardless of where he's running. Who gets covered too much is completely subjective. I could swear any driver I want to is covered too much. I could say they cover Jimmie Johnson to much but that would be ridiculous because he performs. Kyle Busch, like him or not, also performs. He gets talked about a lot because he leads a lot of laps and wins a lot. So far this season in cup no one has more than 1 win other than Harvick who has two. Kyle has led the most laps in I believe 3 races this year. When you are leading you get talked about. He was also leading the cup standings at Vegas before an engine failure cost him the points lead. He gained it back until Texas when two loose wheels cost him the points lead yet again. Neither of those were driver errors. But yeah, they should totally ignore a guy that has won a race this season, led a ton of laps, and has been atop the standings twice because talking about him might piss someone off.

I have no problem with them talking about Busch in Cup races. When they try to talk about him like he is a monster that all stems from the other series. Hell a few weeks ago they had a question who reminded you more of Earnhardt, Kyle Busch or Kevin Harvick. DW says Busch because of his aggressive driving and will to move someone. Kyle doesn't move people for one. That isn't a slap in his direction but he doesn't do it. Definitely not in Cup. He retaliated against Keselowski a few years ago in Nationwide. I don't know if he is more aggressive than Harvick. Harvick will move anyone if he needs too. Hell he moved Busch in the last race last season when Kyle tried to pass him because he needed the points. And Harvick moves to the front by the end of the race. Most of the time Busch falls off by the end.

That being said, I am not saying Busch is worse then Harvick. But DW is blind. Kyle has good car control. He is great at restarts. He leads laps and then levels out late. He is good but so is about 1/3 of the field. Just give someone a decent handling car and watch. And Busch has choked in the chase. The year he had eight wins where did he finish in points...last in chase? He only has finished top 5 in points once. A little early to talk about what a monster he is. And this is mostly a knock on DW.

 

[Julio Chang]

I have no problem with them talking about Busch in Cup races. When they try to talk about him like he is a monster that all stems from the other series. Hell a few weeks ago they had a question who reminded you more of Earnhardt, Kyle Busch or Kevin Harvick. DW says Busch because of his aggressive driving and will to move someone. Kyle doesn't move people for one. That isn't a slap in his direction but he doesn't do it. Definitely not in Cup. He retaliated against Keselowski a few years ago in Nationwide. I don't know if he is more aggressive than Harvick. Harvick will move anyone if he needs too. Hell he moved Busch in the last race last season when Kyle tried to pass him because he needed the points. And Harvick moves to the front by the end of the race. Most of the time Busch falls off by the end.

That being said, I am not saying Busch is worse then Harvick. But DW is blind. Kyle has good car control. He is great at restarts. He leads laps and then levels out late. He is good but so is about 1/3 of the field. Just give someone a decent handling car and watch. And Busch has choked in the chase. The year he had eight wins where did he finish in points...last in chase? He only has finished top 5 in points once. A little early to talk about what a monster he is. And this is mostly a knock on DW.

1/3rd of the field may indeed be good, but ONLY Jimmie Johnson has more wins than Kyle in cup over the last 3 seasons. That is 1 driver and also a cup champ. As far as the whole who is closer to Dale Earnhardt... who cares? That's Darrell Waltrip's opinion and I believe he's allowed to have one. You say you know he's good but then make an attempt to paint him as mearly average. FACTS say otherwise. Not opinions, not like/dislike or anything else. Statistical data says he is more than average. Of the full time ACTIVE drivers only 7 drivers have more wins than him. All of those ahead of him have been in cup significantly longer than him and 3 of them he will likely surpass this season. The 4 he won't surpass this year Are Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Tony Stewart, and Mark Martin. 3 of those guys have Multiple cup titles and the other is a seasoned veteran with many races under his belt. The season you refer to with the 8 wins was 2008. In the 2008 chase Kyle lost the chase due to a Parts failure in the very first race of the chase and 2 straight engine failures. Unless Kyle works in the JGR engine shop or builds the cars himself, I hardly see that as Kyle choking. Team choking? Maybe... Kyle choking? Nonsense.

 

[MillsLayne]

Kyle Busch, not only the greatest minor league racer in NASCAR, but also one of the greatest, ever. That's all I'll say.

 

[kwillymac]

1/3rd of the field may indeed be good, but ONLY Jimmie Johnson has more wins than Kyle in cup over the last 3 seasons. That is 1 driver and also a cup champ. As far as the whole who is closer to Dale Earnhardt... who cares? That's Darrell Waltrip's opinion and I believe he's allowed to have one. You say you know he's good but then make an attempt to paint him as mearly average. FACTS say otherwise. Not opinions, not like/dislike or anything else. Statistical data says he is more than average. Of the full time ACTIVE drivers only 7 drivers have more wins than him. All of those ahead of him have been in cup significantly longer than him and 3 of them he will likely surpass this season. The 4 he won't surpass this year Are Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Tony Stewart, and Mark Martin. 3 of those guys have Multiple cup titles and the other is a seasoned veteran with many races under his belt. The season you refer to with the 8 wins was 2008. In the 2008 chase Kyle lost the chase due to a Parts failure in the very first race of the chase and 2 straight engine failures. Unless Kyle works in the JGR engine shop or builds the cars himself, I hardly see that as Kyle choking. Team choking? Maybe... Kyle choking? Nonsense.

Well here we go...I never made an attempt to make him sound average. I merely have pointed out that I am sick of hearing how great he is because he leads more laps in Trucks and Nationwide. They talk about it during the cup races like he is a god. He is a good cup driver no doubt. He is a dominating minor league driver too. But they get it a little backwards. All the accolades they give him come from the minor leagues. Now I know he is second in wins over the last three years. He is 6th in Avg finish, 6th in Top 10's, 12th in running at the finish, 11th in lead lap finishes, 6th in 2nd place finishes, and hasn't finished in the top 5 in points in the last three years.

Not consistent. He is young. But until he finishes like he starts he will be looked at like someone who fades down the stretch. Maybe it is his attitude and he gets frustrated when the car isn't right. As much as it pains me to say it Denny Hamlin has been more consistent and finished better in the last three years. Thats his own teammate.:-/

 

[Julio Chang]

Well here we go...I never made an attempt to make him sound average. I merely have pointed out that I am sick of hearing how great he is because he leads more laps in Trucks and Nationwide. They talk about it during the cup races like he is a god. He is a good cup driver no doubt. He is a dominating minor league driver too. But they get it a little backwards. All the accolades they give him come from the minor leagues. Now I know he is second in wins over the last three years. He is 6th in Avg finish, 6th in Top 10's, 12th in running at the finish, 11th in lead lap finishes, 6th in 2nd place finishes, and hasn't finished in the top 5 in points in the last three years.

Not consistent. He is young. But until he finishes like he starts he will be looked at like someone who fades down the stretch. Maybe it is his attitude and he gets frustrated when the car isn't right. As much as it pains me to say it Denny Hamlin has been more consistent and finished better in the last three years. Thats his own teammate.:-/

Tony Stewart hasn't finished in the top 5 in points the last 3 seasons either but by all accounts he's a great driver. Darrell Waltrip has said on multiple occasions that if he could pick a driver to start a team with, it would be Carl Edwards. Does that mean that he's treating Carl like a God too? I could go further but I have a feeling this will be an agree to disagree ending no matter what either of us say to each other.

 

[db512]

Tony Stewart hasn't finished in the top 5 in points the last 3 seasons either but by all accounts he's a great driver. Darrell Waltrip has said on multiple occasions that if he could pick a driver to start a team with, it would be Carl Edwards. Does that mean that he's treating Carl like a God too? I could go further but I have a feeling this will be an agree to disagree ending no matter what either of us say to each other.

Just my two cents DW over hypes everyone cause that is what he is paid to do by FOX that is how they get viewers so stop with the DW stuff.

Second, hman24, you say Kyle has mechanical failures that hurt him like blown motors in the chase in 2008 or the blown motor at Vegas this year maybe it is Kyle cause he can tend to lean on the car a lot and maybe push it cause besides this year the other JGR cars seem to finish so don't say Kyle has absolutely nothing to do with the mechanical failures cause he might or he might not we don't know.

Lastly, it is not a problem of people talking about Kyle to much it's our own personal opinions that he runs to much in the lower series and dominates there not giving young drivers a shot at being successful thats all and like you said hman24 people are untitled to their own opinion.

 

[DannyM]

They never say he's the greatest. They say he's the most talented. Huge difference.

 

[kwillymac]

They never say he's the greatest. They say he's the most talented. Huge difference.

Yes they do. Most of the time they say that is when they are talking about how many races he has won in all three series or how many laps he has led in all three series. Or can he sweep the weekend because he won the two minor league races.

I know Jeff Gordon talked great about him too.

 

[B.McKeever]

Hate to say it but if he ever focuses solely on Sprint Cup, look out Johnson.

I don't care for Kyle Busch, but he can DRIVE.

 

[CMennie47]

The best racers in any series are those that are great at what they do and put on a show for the crowd. Those who make it look easy. Since Kyle goes out and runs multiple races in a weekend, covering hundreds of miles, I'd call that talent.

And all the best racers have a personality, and Kyle certainly has that. If it wasn't for Kyle, NASCAR wouldn't be where it is today.

 

[Julio Chang]

Just my two cents DW over hypes everyone cause that is what he is paid to do by FOX that is how they get viewers so stop with the DW stuff.

Second, hman24, you say Kyle has mechanical failures that hurt him like blown motors in the chase in 2008 or the blown motor at Vegas this year maybe it is Kyle cause he can tend to lean on the car a lot and maybe push it cause besides this year the other JGR cars seem to finish so don't say Kyle has absolutely nothing to do with the mechanical failures cause he might or he might not we don't know.

Lastly, it is not a problem of people talking about Kyle to much it's our own personal opinions that he runs to much in the lower series and dominates there not giving young drivers a shot at being successful thats all and like you said hman24 people are untitled to their own opinion.

I already said I'd rather see nationwide guys winning nationwide races. Its one of my first posts in this thread. My point is it can't be just Kyle. It has to be ALL cup drivers. Even the OP and I agree on that point. Otherwise you are punishing Kyle because he wins which is stupid. As far as the Gibbs equipment issue... so he didn't overdrive his stuff for 26 races but lost all control and blew his engines in the final 10... yeah ummm okay. I'd have to do some digging to go back to 2008 and find the info, but I'm relatively certain that they gave specific info on what caused the engine issues in those races and they were both parts issues. There was never any information saying he caused them, and regardless that is a completely hypothetical argument. As far as this season Denny Hamlin (California) and Joey Logano (Phoenix) have also both had engine failures this season giving all 3 Gibbs cars 1 engine failure each. I find it hard to believe that Joey and Denny blew up because of mechanical issues, but Kyle blew up from using his stuff up. Kyle Busch is also higher than both of them in points so far meaning he's the only driver of them to recover from his issues.

 

[Finishline]

You all know why he runs NCWTS and NNS races? I'll take this quote from him, "I run these races so I don't make these mistakes on Sunday."

 

[kwillymac]

You all know why he runs NCWTS and NNS races? I'll take this quote from him, "I run these races so I don't make these mistakes on Sunday."

Hmmm...ok?

 

[kwillymac]

Hate to say it but if he ever focuses solely on Sprint Cup, look out Johnson.

I don't care for Kyle Busch, but he can DRIVE.

I don't know if it is focus solely on Cup more than focus for 500 miles. When the car gets off he starts to get mentally exhausted. He gets unfocused and whiny. Rusty used to be like that. But Rusty did win a title.

 

[kwillymac]

They never say he's the greatest. They say he's the most talented. Huge difference.

Jimmie Johnson is the most talented. PERIOD! I am not even a Jimmie Johnson fan but he is incredible.

 

[4WideRacing]

Jimmie Johnson is the most talented. PERIOD! I am not even a Jimmie Johnson fan but he is incredible.

Chad Knaus.

 

[kwillymac]

Chad Knaus.

I feel bad for Jimmie Johnson. He is the only multiple Cup champion who has a Crew chief that gets more credit than him. I guess we just have to wait and see what he does when Knaus retires.

 

[dalejrgamer]

Which, unfortunately, won't be anytime soon.

 

[MillsLayne]

I feel bad for Jimmie Johnson. He is the only multiple Cup champion who has a Crew chief that gets more credit than him. I guess we just have to wait and see what he does when Knaus retires.

Well, Knaus has played a HUGE roll in those 5 Sprint Cups. Take him out of the equation, JJ might have a couple of championships, and those probably not back to back.