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You have to appreciate anyone wanting to offer resources to the community, and they seemed to have a lot of bases for those who can't make their own. And I definitely sympathize with anyone who gets their work ripped (if that's in fact what was happening - I can't assert it one way or another, as I didn't "investigate" it in any way). It drives me nuts when people jack others work because they're too lazy to do some work themselves. And even worse, when they jack others work and sell it for profit (like the Pattos of the world). Its the epitome of being a lazy opportunist.

That being said, it seems like NDG wasn't exactly doing themselves any favors with some of their practices and/or subsequent hostility. I think David hit on it:
I think they pretty much dug themselves a nice deep hole requiring registered members to post in the forum to download files. That's just asking for spam.

It seemed like they were trying so hard to "create" a community with a lot of traffic (sometimes almost seemingly demanding discussion of some sort), by requiring forum posting to download files, and even scrutinizing the substance of the posts (not wanting "useless" or "spam" posts that are made just for the sake of reaching post-count for downloading). But that's exactly what you're inviting by instituting that kind of practice. You can't force a community to form and/or grow. That's totally an organic process, and it either happens or it doesn't.

That kind of practice just doesn't work, and it never will. And if that's your motivation in this kind of community, then you're probably doing things for all the wrong reasons. In this type of hobby/community, you have to do things because you enjoy them. And if you want to offer your work to the masses, you have to offer it because you want to. Simple as that. Once you start trying to over-regulate everything, you've lost sight of the end-game, and ultimately, it doesn't really end up being beneficial for anyone (including yourself).

That's nothing against NDG personally, just my observations over the past 7-8 years.
 

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That kind of practice just doesn't work, and it never will. And if that's your motivation in this kind of community, then you're probably doing things for all the wrong reasons. In this type of hobby/community, you have to do things because you enjoy them. And if you want to offer your work to the masses, you have to offer it because you want to. Simple as that. Once you start trying to over-regulate everything, you've lost sight of the end-game, and ultimately, it doesn't really end up being beneficial for anyone (including yourself).

To paraphrase what Matt said a few years back that has always stuck with me:

"If you aren't making content in NR2003 because it is something you personally want in the game then who the hell are you doing it for?"

Everything I create is content I want to use/enjoy in NR2003 personally. It is content I freely share with great enjoyment to the community but if they don't like what I make or I receive no notice from it I don't care. I'm not making these carsets, UI updates, tracks, and other stuff for any other purpose than I want it in my fictional series. If it wasn't for my enjoyment of my personal series I race with I wouldn't be here probably. If NR2003 community didn't exist I'd still be making stuff if I enjoyed the game still.

I am not saying no one should go out of their way to help paint cars or update tracks they might not be as interested in but if the end goal is some form of glory then I hate to break it to you but being a modder in any video game is not for you then. Just like anything in life the greatest signers, sports players, architects, scientists, and so on and so forth are so good and revered/loved by many because of their personal passion for the things they love in life and whatever other personal things drive them thats shows in their work when displayed to the world. Some may want to 'get famous' but usually people follow you when they see your personal love and care for whatever you passions are and they can relate to it. This can easily be applied to NR2003 modders. Mods like Bullring I can see the care they had for the mod since I believe bullring has their own personal online series where a group of friends race.

I don't know who NDG are. I paint my own stuff so sites that provide pre-made paint schemes I don't really follow much in the community. Point being, if they were doing something for popularity I am not surprised it fell apart like a house of cards. Just paint what you want to paint, mod what you want to mod, and if you feel like sharing it don't have any expectations other than you've given something to the community as another option to use in their game.
 

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Mystical you said exactly what I was going to say.. :) The soul reason I got into this hobby first and foremost is for the love of racing I have. I've always created things that I've always enjoyed for myself first. From road racing mods, to late model mods. Reason being those are the type of stuff I've enjoyed since I was a kid. It was always an added bonus to share with the community.. If others enjoy it, that's great.
If not, that's okay too.

We all have different types of things we like and enjoy!! It was never about the glory or any of that type of BS, or for popularity. It was always something I enjoyed for myself, and a few personal close friends who share the same type of passion.
 
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@Highbank - not saying it didn't happen, but accusing someone of accessing your account on another site (when they themselves were VERY adamant about not doing that at NDG) is kind of a big deal. Are you 100% certain? (again, just trying to reasonable)
Absolutely...the man quoted things said here in private. The man knew others were talking to me without being told by anyone involved. Trust me, I would never accuse someone of such heinous activity without knowing for sure what took place. Funny you should be the one asking me that, since for some reason he has spat filth about both of us in the same sentence recently. He started this last round of stupid banning and site closure talk AFTER I began telling people about his activities...he knows he is done. He is found out, his ego led him to saying things to people I trust completely about things said in arrogant rantings that he could not have known any other way. Sadly, this is a "fool me once, fool me twice..." situation as he did these same things back in the RPD days, out of twisted paranoia, firing good hard working crew members, and in my case, he banned me simply because some involved were my friends. This time I quit him before he could do his evil crap to me. Trust me the jerk is reading every word of this, he is saying foul things about me because he has the sense to know he's done. He is closing his pathetic kingdom of narcissism, because he has no choice.

Trust me, I am not a mud slinger over trivial matters, I want peace in the community, but let me say this clearly, He has violated me and I will not go quietly into that long night, I was going to, but when I heard he was trashing me out of a simple rage because he knows I know. That was it. I felt the community needed to know what this person is doing, has been doing and has always done. Shame on me for not saying something sooner. Shame on me for going back into his sewer. That's all on me...but a person like him victimizes folks and then acts all high and mighty? OH HELL NO!

I feel sick inside just thinking about a person that is so low... as to snoop around and read other peoples PMs. AND then throw it into peoples faces as if they did something wrong? He is the trespasser. He is the evil that has brought out the worst in the community. Always pointing at other people while he goes about doing his twisted BS, makes me sick.
 

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This is supposed to be what Mystical said above, (or actually what Matt said...as it were) I've always said the same things, I'm sorry to bring this information to light, but as I said, I wanted to but that became impossible for me to do in good conscience. Am I trashing this person, absolutely. I want him gone from the virtual universe that is the sim racing community, what he has been doing is foul and it needs to be irradiated.

No go back to your regular scheduled program. I'm done...I think, I have lots to do, positive things, not this crap. I'm so sorry I had to bring this out, but I did so no one else gets put through this. This violation.
 

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I sent john@williams a private message saying how much I'll miss NDG and he came back with a sarcastic reply where he sounded angry.
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I don't get it: http://nascardesigngrafx.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=29822#29822
 
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Honestly, if he has in fact done this, I would recommend banning his IP/account here (I believe his handle is RAINBOW, fitting, although I may be wrong), as a precaution (not telling ANYONE what to do or how to do it, we all know how people like that tend to act, don't we, fellas?). Sounds like he's hell bent on joining some other infamous figures sadly, I'll find out in my own time/way what he's been flapping his gums about.

But I think (barring some kind of major development) we are beating the proverbial dead horse. Scum is scum, can't fix stupid, rise above the rabble, etc etc etc...

If nothing else, this drive me to start really pushing to put out some content here.... so a positive twist on this if nothing else.
 

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This is standard practice by Craig. he shut RPD down twice, and now shuts down NDG....3 site shutdowns by the same person is saying something bad about how
he views this community. John Williams should stop pretending also, Since he and Craig are the same person....RAINBOW. I had many good times at RPD, but not at NDG...Hell
I even got banned from NDG for not logging in and viewing the site as a guest. How stupid is that. Any site that requires constant forum activity to download is DOOMED to failure.
That is enough of my 2 cents....And I know Craig will see this too.
 

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Well I guess he read my post.....lol, Now I am banned from a site that has NOTHING to offer. I love it when I get banned with no contact. too scared to contact me lmao.
 

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This is standard practice by Craig. he shut RPD down twice, and now shuts down NDG....3 site shutdowns by the same person is saying something bad about how
he views this community. John Williams should stop pretending also, Since he and Craig are the same person....RAINBOW. I had many good times at RPD, but not at NDG...Hell
I even got banned from NDG for not logging in and viewing the site as a guest. How stupid is that. Any site that requires constant forum activity to download is DOOMED to failure.
That is enough of my 2 cents....And I know Craig will see this too.

Thank you Darren, I always suspected this, that there was no John Williams just two Craig's. How twisted is that?

People, I rest my case. The community does not need this individual, he has broken our trust in so many ways it boggles the mind, he is a tyrant and a liar, a person who makes rules and then thinks he is above them, which is to say he thinks he is above us as well, he should no longer have a place in our community as a whole.

Craig you and your alter ego, John Williams have made your bed, now it's time you lay in it, you are not a victim you are a victimizer. All you chickens are coming home to roost. You have no one to blame but yourself...
 

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I hope so...BUT have you seen any of the "Friday the 13th" movies...Jason just keeps coming back....
 

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I just don't know how people can take a game and turn into rivalries against others trying to keep the game alive. I just don't get it.
 
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