NASCAR Rule 12.4 (L)

[canadienhits]

"NASCAR requires its competitors to race at 100 percent of their ability with the goal of achieving their best possible finishing position in an event. Any competitor who takes action with the intent to artificially alter the finishing positions of the event or encourages, persuades or induces others to artificially alter the finishing position of the event shall be subject to a penalty from NASCAR. Such penalties may include but are limited to disqualification and/or loss of finishing points and/or fines and/or loss of points and/or suspension and/or probation to any and all members of the teams, including any beneficiaries of the prohibited actions.

"'Artificially altered' shall be defined as actions by any competitor that show or suggest that the competitor did not race at 100 percent of their ability for the purpose of changing finishing positions in the event at NASCAR's sole discretion."

This oughto bring out a decent discussion.

 

[Gwen Cole]

That a new rule? Or an old one. I can never tell.

 

[canadienhits]

That a new rule? Or an old one. I can never tell.

New, to combat the whole mess from Richmond.

 

[Thunder98]

 

[Orian Thompson]

New or not, I love it.

 

[DBReaver35]

So by this "new" rule all Start and Park say they lie about why parking are in violations

 

[Dilla]

"This is the acceptable: Contact while racing for position; performance issues; drafting; pitting; tire management; fuel management; yielding to a faster car; alternative pit strategy; long fuel strategy; laying over, you lay over for one, you lay over for all, which is fairly common in our restart language when we get ready to go back to green.

These are some of the examples that we came up with that's unacceptable in hopes to help define the step we're taking:

Offering a position in exchange for favor or material benefit; offering material benefit in exchange for track position; directing a driver to give up a position to the benefit of another driver; intentionally causing a caution; causing a caution for the benefit of or determinant of another driver; intentionally wrecking a competitor; intentionally pitting, pulling into the garage to gain advantage for another competitor."

So I guess the "Boys, have at it" Era is over.

 

[ongias25]

So this means every car will have cameras on the drivers pedals to see if he is only using half throttle and riding the brake? "sandbag cams"

 

[Mystical]

I see nothing wrong about it, looks good to me. The video on Nascar.com seemed pretty straightforward and clear. They even provided examples of things that are ok and things that are not ok along with more cameras/technology to monitor such cheating.

 

[nascarfan89]

"This is the acceptable: Contact while racing for position; performance issues; drafting; pitting; tire management; fuel management; yielding to a faster car; alternative pit strategy; long fuel strategy; laying over, you lay over for one, you lay over for all, which is fairly common in our restart language when we get ready to go back to green.

These are some of the examples that we came up with that's unacceptable in hopes to help define the step we're taking:

Offering a position in exchange for favor or material benefit; offering material benefit in exchange for track position; directing a driver to give up a position to the benefit of another driver; intentionally causing a caution; causing a caution for the benefit of or determinant of another driver; intentionally wrecking a competitor; intentionally pitting, pulling into the garage to gain advantage for another competitor."

So I guess the "Boys, have at it" Era is over.

Not necessarily. The "intentionally wrecking a competitor" listed here is in terms of doing it to gain a points or track position advantage for yourself or a teammate. When intentional wrecking happens in the "boys, have at it" sense, it's not to get that position, it's to send a message/self-police. NASCAR knows the difference.

 

[B.McKeever]

...hope they enforce it during Speedweek in Daytona.

NASCAR is a joke anymore. Of course, I'm a short track racer that gets screwed a few times a year and they never correct the points the following week. Tough shit situation. Gordon got the bad end of it, Newman got the bad end of it. Sucks for them but changing rules to fix the situation only creates another.

Eliminate the Chase. This won't happen again.

On the bright side, at least now when Johnson bitches about someone not "letting him go" they can just say "Hey cry baby, read 12.4L!"

 

[MattSRD28]

...hope they enforce it during Speedweek in Daytona.

NASCAR is a joke anymore. Of course, I'm a short track racer that gets screwed a few times a year and they never correct the points the following week. Tough shit situation. Gordon got the bad end of it, Newman got the bad end of it. Sucks for them but changing rules to fix the situation only creates another.

I totally understand where you're coming from here, and agree with it up until the point where there is real and proven intent on the part of the drivers and teams to intentionally wreck others or even sabotage themselves in return for material gain.

If Nascar doesn't step in and do something, that only opens the door for it to become exponentially worse. I don't completely agree with the methodology being used, but there is a real threat to the sport if there isn't at least an attempt to correct all consequences from the known shenaniganry that took place. Otherwise someone later is going to say "yeah we'll get hit with a penalty but at least John Doe won't make the Chase!" when the same situation comes up again in the future.

 

[Matt Yeager]

"NASCAR requires its competitors to race at 100 percent of their ability with the goal of achieving their best possible finishing position in an event.

Does that mean "no Start & Park" ?

 

[ongias25]

They said this rule does not apply to start and parks.

 

[nascarman14]

I think this should have been done a long time ago. Yes it is not a "new" rule but it is about time that they enforce it to the fullest.

 

[RP Motorsports]

So by this "new" rule all Start and Park say they lie about why parking are in violations

Does that mean "no Start & Park" ?

Start and park teams are not trying to artificially alter or manipulate finishing positions. They dont have the money to run the full race (tires, crew, etc...) so they basically run as far as they can, and then park it.

Totally inapplicable to what NASCAR is trying to police/discourage with the new rules.

 

[nascarman14]

Start and park teams are not trying to artificially alter or manipulate finishing positions. They dont have the money to run the full race (tires, crew, etc...) so they basically run as far as they can, and then park it.

Totally inapplicable to what NASCAR is trying to police/discourage with the new rules.

They can't even run but 50 laps 90% of the time. That is not even one pit stop during the race. Not trying to sound snotty because I completely understand what your saying, but do they REALLY run as much as they can or just pick up the finishing money as it is. I'm not an owner of a team but I don't see a reason why they can't buy another set of tires. Shoot, they can even go ask bigger teams to lend them their used scuffs. There is no way in the world that they can't find anybody that will work for free on a NASCAR team that actually has some experience because I sure as heck would. All in all it would be nice to see these guys run longer to what they are REALLY capable of.

 

[4WideRacing]

They can't even run but 50 laps 90% of the time. That is not even one pit stop during the race. Not trying to sound snotty because I completely understand what your saying, but do they REALLY run as much as they can or just pick up the finishing money as it is. I'm not an owner of a team but I don't see a reason why they can't buy another set of tires. Shoot, they can even go ask bigger teams to lend them their used scuffs. There is no way in the world that they can't find anybody that will work for free on a NASCAR team that actually has some experience because I sure as heck would. All in all it would be nice to see these guys run longer to what they are REALLY capable of.

XD They are competitors, they don't like to pull off the track but they have to in order to get to the race the next week. Nascar doesn't allow teams to trade or give tires to other teams. I read somewhere 1 tire or 1 set of tires (I forget which one) were $1200. And they need money to enter races and the need to buy equipment faster if they run more laps, especially if they wreck because they stayed out one more pit cycle. They would Love to race the whole race if they could but they can't do that and stay afloat.

 

[B.McKeever]

The next biggest issue this will be is the Duels @ Daytona.

Every year teams work together to drop positions or whatever so their team mates can get into the race.

Usually the front row qualifiers will drop to the back and just drive around.

Wait, makes me think of something else. What about the drivers that "drop back" at Superspeedway races? Will this be allowed anymore?

 

[K.Chuck]

this 100% wording in the rule is trouble.