New IndyCar Titles

[MattSRD28]

Fans do it with NASCAR too sort-of... "Take out the stupid road courses and so & so would have won the championship" or ""Take out the stupid Plate Tracks and so & so would have won the championship".

Plate tracks/road courses make up 4 of 36 races on the Cup schedule. This split of RC/Oval in Indycar is just north of a 50/50 split in the schedule. It's not the same thing at all.

 

[celticfang]

Plate tracks/road courses make up 4 of 36 races on the Cup schedule. This split of RC/Oval in Indycar is just north of a 50/50 split in the schedule. It's not the same thing at all.

Exactly. And I for one like the 50/50 split. Now if they'd go back to mid 90s chassis looks

 

[dalejrgamer]

Exactly. And I for one like the 50/50 split. Now if they'd go back to mid 90s chassis looks

And turbo-charged engines.

And teams buying their chassis from whomever they want.

And Penske building their own chassis.

Forget waiting until 2012, how 'bout bringing all of them back NOW!

 

[celticfang]

And turbo-charged engines.

And teams buying their chassis from whomever they want.

And Penske building their own chassis.

Forget waiting until 2012, how 'bout bringing all of them back NOW!

Amen!

 

[evan07]

Ways to fix Indy car:
Bring races to Atlanta, Talledga, Daytona, and Lowes

Get Chevy and Ford to build racecars which look different from the typical indy car then we have a series.
Get tons of American drivers

 

[celticfang]

Ways to fix Indy car:
Bring races to Atlanta, Talledga, Daytona, and Lowes

Get Chevy and Ford to build racecars which look different from the typical indy car then we have a series.
Get tons of American drivers

Haven't raced at Daytona since 1959

And never raced at 'Dega, only a speed record run AFAIK.

And IMO your idea is flawed. The appeal of CART/Indycar is the international aspect, the fact there ARE races outside the US, getting more market share.

The IRL started like that with Olds and Infiniti, and it didn't last long before international drivers started coming in (1997 I believe)

 

[dalejrgamer]

Ways to fix Indy car:
Bring races to Atlanta, Talledga, Daytona, and Lowes

Get Chevy and Ford to build racecars which look different from the typical indy car then we have a series.
Get tons of American drivers

Did you see any race from Atlanta and Charlotte? Those always have a huge crash in them (and, in the case of Charlotte, one fan got killed by flying debris, and the IRL had to abandon the race). Don't get me started with Talladega and Daytona.

Correction: engines. Leave the chassis building to Swift, Dallara, Lola...hell, Penske can go back to the PC chassis he always builds.

And the IRL as an American series was the concept from 1996 until like 1997, and that idea was bad.

 

[celticfang]

Agreed dalejrgamer, maybe it's the fact the IRL has a load of international fans and drivers/teams

IMO an all-American field wouldn't work at all. Tony George started the IRL as that, and within a year (1996 to 1997) it had international drivers

 

[Fisha695]

Agreed dalejrgamer, maybe it's the fact the IRL has a load of international fans and drivers/teams

IMO an all-American field wouldn't work at all. Tony George started the IRL as that, and within a year (1996 to 1997) it had international drivers

Umm the IRL has never had been All-American field. (well there may have been 1 or 2 races here and there, but for the most part)

The first race had 20 starters of which 4 were Non-American, they would have had 5 but the 5th was injured in a practice crash. They were

Michele Alboreto from Italy
Roberto Guerrero from Colombia
Arie Luyendyk from The Netherlands
Stephan Gregoire from France
Eliseo Salazar from Chile (he was the DNQ)


The 2nd race had 22 starters with 6 "Internationals".
Arie Luyendyk from The Netherlands (race winner)
Stephan Gregoire from France
Michele Alboreto from Italy
Roberto Guerrero from Colombia
Fermin Velez from Spain
Michel Jourdain Jr from Mexico.


And then the 3rd race was the Indy 500, which since it's inaugural one has always had an International presence.

 

[evan07]

Did you see any race from Atlanta and Charlotte? Those always have a huge crash in them (and, in the case of Charlotte, one fan got killed by flying debris, and the IRL had to abandon the race). Don't get me started with Talladega and Daytona.

Correction: engines. Leave the chassis building to Swift, Dallara, Lola...hell, Penske can go back to the PC chassis he always builds.

And the IRL as an American series was the concept from 1996 until like 1997, and that idea was bad.

Did I see the race?
I was there I thought it was very good the crash was bad. Daytona and Talladeaga have to be my favorite tracks just put plates on em and it would be just like NASCAR plate racing with no bump drafting. Also have more North American drivers from USA, Canada and Mexico since thats where most of the races are. I cant relate too well with the foreign drivers.

Or this: When Indy split in to 2 different race leagues it killed it and it will never come back at all like it was and we're stuck with this mess with one manufacture and few drivers from America. My thinking was if most races are in the US it would help if there were more American drivers for the fans to watch.

 

[shane9]

I'm sorry but putting plates on an irl car... would just be wrong... lol

I really wish they'd take em off the cup cars... but i just like the older days of racing at tally and tona

 

[evan07]

I'm sorry but putting plates on an irl car... would just be wrong... lol

I really wish they'd take em off the cup cars... but i just like the older days of racing at tally and tona

hahaha this is true it would be wrong but interesting

 

[dalejrgamer]

Did I see the race?
I was there I thought it was very good the crash was bad.

I haven't seen the whole race (I assume the Atlanta race), but I know the IRL didn't even bother coming back to the two venues ever again.

Daytona and Talladeaga have to be my favorite tracks just put plates on em and it would be just like NASCAR plate racing with no bump drafting.

IRL engines are fuel-injected, so they would just program a limit...nevermind the fact that a serious injury or death is imminent.

Also have more North American drivers from USA, Canada and Mexico since thats where most of the races are. I cant relate too well with the foreign drivers.

This is true, but I happen to like a handful of foreign drivers myself (Will Power and Dario Franchitti, for starters). Maybe if they expand the field...

Or this: When Indy split in to 2 different race leagues it killed it and it will never come back at all like it was and we're stuck with this mess with one manufacture and few drivers from America. My thinking was if most races are in the US it would help if there were more American drivers for the fans to watch.

It would, but then it would get the international folks up in arms because they feel misrepresented.

 

[celticfang]

Did I see the race?
I was there I thought it was very good the crash was bad. Daytona and Talladeaga have to be my favorite tracks just put plates on em and it would be just like NASCAR plate racing with no bump drafting. Also have more North American drivers from USA, Canada and Mexico since thats where most of the races are. I cant relate too well with the foreign drivers.

Or this: When Indy split in to 2 different race leagues it killed it and it will never come back at all like it was and we're stuck with this mess with one manufacture and few drivers from America. My thinking was if most races are in the US it would help if there were more American drivers for the fans to watch.

Daytona 1959. Marshall Teague was killed in a crash. This was in a then top line USAC Indycar without plates. It took 48 years (till 2007) until the cars came back. And even ten it was on a modified road course. AJ Foyt tested at Talladga as part of a speed run but there has never, and shouldn't EVER be a race there. It'd be too much force for the cars to take.

You may not relate too well, but a sizeable chunk of the US population does, in fact most of the most popular foreign drivers have MASSIVE US fanbasses, e.g. Wheldon (British), Franchitti (Scottish), Power (Aussie), Castroneves (Brazil)

Do you know WHY Indy split in 1996? To form an all US-based series using US tracks, chassis and engines. That lasted....about a race before they got a non-US national driving. Which the series welcomed with open arms as did the fanbase. Indeed one of the US engines was a Nissan (badged as an Infiniti), which isn't an American company. I think your desire for an all-American series is silly, international drivers are here to stay. You also say you want an American series, yet want drivers from Canada/Mexico

 

[evan07]

I went to the Atlanta sorry I didnt say which one earlier. Danger was mentioned earlier, but thats what racing is dangerous!! I think saftey is important but racing we never be safe. I mean thats what makes it so amazing and the spectical that it is. I contridicted myself about the American drivers and then drivers from Mexico and Canada. I just thought since most races are run in North American that the series would be more popular with fans that go to the races if it had more American drivers. I cant say I know any other IRL fans that live around here in Georgia so Im sure up North there are more fans. NASCAR is king around here mainly because thats what we all were raised on. More American driver equals more American fans or atleast what I thought.

And yes I knew why they split and it was terrible.

Ok so Lowes and Atlanta are too dangerous why do they race Texas?

I completely understand about Dega and Daytona that was just me dreaming. I just want a IRL race back around here on a oval I would be there in a heart beat!!!

 

[dalejrgamer]

Ok so Lowes and Atlanta are too dangerous why do they race Texas?

I'm wondering the same thing. Especially Kenny Brack's accident back in 2003. Yes, it's a freak accident, but still...

 

[MillsLayne]

I'm wondering the same thing. Especially Kenny Brack's accident back in 2003. Yes, it's a freak accident, but still...

I think Texas is a bit smoother than the other two. Especially Charlotte, where there's a huge dip going into turn 1. They'd all bottom out and slam into the wall! I could be way off, it was just the first reason that popped into my head.

 

[moppenheimer]

Its also Wider....but Texas has been dangerous...Brack in 03, and someone (can remember who) in 01...ill try and find a vid.

EDIT: here it is, Davey Hamilton

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELk2Hn3NSKs"]YouTube- Davey Hamilton's Horrific Crash @ Texas.[/ame]

 

[tipptruck]

I don't watch indy at oval tracks at all. The only time I will watch when a Indy car makes only left hand turns is indy. I like it better when they make both right and left turns. The more I think about it I would rather watch any road/street race then 3 hours of turning left. Nascar is the only series I will not watch on road courses. For some reason I find nothing good about a 3400 lb race car crawling around the corners.

Some one said race at Daytona and Dega. Then some one said the speeds would be a problem. Ok when a indy car races at indy there doing 230 mph in all four corners. Dega is a little bigger then indy. But daytona is the same size. I don't think a dega or daytona oval race will ever happen. They got rid of michigan a few years ago because of the danger. They could do the ovals there if they put a few non permanent bus stops at dega and Daytona. I few on the back stretch and put one between turn 4 and the tri oval then one between there and turn 1. Now what would be sweet is to see the Daytona infield used for f1 or indy. I would then put a bus stop between turn 4 and the tri oval just to control the speeds. But I know f1 will never come to daytona or most likley back to america. Or will daytona will ever host a indy race. I can dream though.

 

[Alan Harkleroad]

I think having two titles is stupid. No ifs ands or buts. Why on earth merge them then? A few reasons because both were run like crap, poor series sponsorship and generally are boring judging by the Indy 500 turnouts and the number of viewers for its races. That said. I do believe IZOD is doing a good job trying to market the series. They need to turn it up several notches like Sprint/Nextel did when they took over the cup series.

You either are or are not a well rounded driver. With two separate Championships I say not. Just split into 2 series if their are going to be 2 titles. But this does further lend credit to just how much better a class of driver the NASCAR boys and girls are then the IRL boys and girls.

The IRL folk have perfectly tuned airplanes on wheels at 230 mph usually going left continually and dont actually have to man handle their cars like the Cup guys. A nascar championship requires discipline on both. I know we only have 2 road course and I feel there should be more. But you cant just throw them out the door if you want to be the champion you do have to do more then just survive their. And the same is true with the IRL if they were under one unified championship.