NR2003 at Roush Fenway

[MattyO]

@ Matt, what good is that going to do? You and I both know both sides exaggerate massively, why continue to pollute these threads for a personal beef between you two?

Well for one, I love conflict. Second, I am a paying customer, and I have every right to point out the deficiencies of a product that I am paying for.

It ain't all sunny skies and rosey days at iRacing as Dave makes it appear. I'm just giving a different point of view.

You want me to say great things about iRacing, then give me a car that doesn't drive on ice. And give me a Dodge,Ford and Toyota to choose from while I slip and slide all over the place trying to go in a straight line.

 

[MattyO]

@mop

I've been REGISTERED for over a year. I've been lurking around these boards for a long time brother. I wouldnt put in my .02 if I hadnt been.
As I said in my previous post, I'm not even talking about this thread. I'm talking about everything BEFORE this thread. This whole entire war was brought about by dpawlak's constant bashing/promoting/propaganda/whatever the hell you'd like to call it, and everyone thats been around here for a while knows it, including him, and including you. I posted a perfect example when i mentioned that one of the first times I posted here, he comes out of nowhere with the useless post of "it doesnt matter anyways because nobody plays nr2003 anymore". Its constant crap like that, that has turned this into what it is. And everytime he stirs the pot, it seems like your right there to be his wing man.

Again, we all know how this all came about way back when, and I'd just like to know why he felt the need to take it to the level he has.

-Ryan

It's true, Dave brought most of this on himself. He's almost hated as much as me. Almost,lol.

 

[moppenheimer]

What's your iRacing name Matt? You, me, and Dave should race a bit to get the anger out. :twitcy:

edit: nvm, found ya.

 

[DPawlak]

No, why would I think that? What I do think is if I'm the owner of iRacing, I want it displayed at my race shop, and not something else. It should be a given that people working for me would know that I want my racing simulation at my own race shop. Common sense decision would you agree?

Like I said, what I see speaks volumes about how they run their corporation.



If that's the case, that someone in the organization made that kind of decision to hire someone to use nr2003 instead of my racing simulation at my race shop, then I need to speak with them directly and find out why they made that decision.

Honestly, I already know the answer as to why. I just want Dave to admit it. I know he will keep his head in the sand or up Jr's and JH's butt.Anything negative about iRacing is impossible, so getting any kind of reality check out of him is more than likely not going to happen. But worth a go

OK... they rented a N2003 simulator to make a HUGE statement. A statement so powerful that it would have a dramatic effect on the sim community and iRacing Headquarters.

There... I admitted it.

 

[99boyz]

[admin edit]
glad you read my request to not call names and share your opinion.
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[DavidCarter2]

Iracing has some standards as far as simulation nracing goes, however it is still limited in what it offers. There is also that whole point that you cna't do your own personal season. I think racign aganist others is great, however is still like going back in the day and kicking up my own piece of nascar history and see if i can stack up aganist the greats and well NR2003 currently is the only place to do that. I don't see nr2003 going anywhere for still quite a time. it still is a great piece of software to own and the community is still one of the best places to be.

Both Iracing and Nr2003 have great merits, but the fact remains for the rest of iracing's life that it was built upon the back of NR2003 and that fact can never be taken away even if only a small piece of it will be left one day. If someone wants to promote one thing they must and should see both sides of any product. NR2003 is still free to play once you own it and in this economy that's huge.

And oh there are lots of spelling and grammer errors here so sorry for that.

 

[MattyO]

OK... they rented a N2003 simulator to make a HUGE statement. A statement so powerful that it would have a dramatic effect on the sim community and iRacing Headquarters.

There... I admitted it.

Keep your head in the sand Dave. iRacing's progress of the course of 3 years is just fine. They have come so far in the 3 years they still can't use the simulation at the owner of iRacing's race shop because it doesn't have any Ford Fusions.

Major progress.

 

[beatnik]

Matt, I am going to be extremely honest here with you. Your thread here comes off as bitter and nervous. I mean it seems as if you are trying your hardest to find a way to splatter some paint on iRacing. You are acting like this is such a HUGE deal...somewhat of a "HAHA TAKE THAT IRACING!! HAHAHAHA" scenario.

If you want to think that a simulator is so important in the world of racing, then let me just point out that NASCAR themselves, not a race team...the actual governing body of stock cars asked Dave Kaemmer and John Henry of iRacing to create a custom edition of their software for the NASCAR Hall Of Fame. If NASCAR 2003 was still relevant, I'm quite sure it would be there. It is also no secret that there are many hire-for-rent simulator companies out there. They all use different software. Some of which use obviously out of date software.

To me that speaks more volumes than this 5 cent bubblegum you're throwing around.

There, no name calling...just my opinion.

 

[DPawlak]

Keep your head in the sand Dave. iRacing's progress of the course of 3 years is just fine. They have come so far in the 3 years they still can't use the simulation at the owner of iRacing's race shop because it doesn't have any Ford Fusions.

Major progress.

Hmmm check this out for the 2:09 mark... not an issue here[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqx4UKKGirg]YouTube - iRacing at the NASCAR HoF on Speed[/ame]

 

[MattyO]

Matt, I am going to be extremely honest here with you. Your thread here comes off as bitter and nervous. I mean it seems as if you are trying your hardest to find a way to splatter some paint on iRacing. You are acting like this is such a HUGE deal...somewhat of a "HAHA TAKE THAT IRACING!! HAHAHAHA" scenario.

That's your opinion, but not what I am trying to do. You and Dave completely fabricate scenarios and ignore what the facts are.

If you want to think that a simulator is so important in the world of racing, then let me just point out that NASCAR themselves, not a race team...the actual governing body of stock cars asked Dave Kaemmer and John Henry of iRacing to create a custom edition of their software for the NASCAR Hall Of Fame. If NASCAR 2003 was still relevant, I'm quite sure it would be there. It is also no secret that there are many hire-for-rent simulator companies out there. They all use different software. Some of which use obviously out of date software.

Once again, your ignoring the facts and sticking your head in the sand like your brother Dave. The owner of iRacing who happens to be part owner of Roush/Fenway racing cannot use his own racing simulation at his race shop. None of you iRacing fans can give me an answer as to why this is other than the continuation of slamming nr2003. I gave my reason, what's yours?

You say nr2003 is out of date, yet iRacing still hasn't inserted any other model or even a set of Goodyear Eagles in the most "up to date" simulation racing game on the internet. The physics are hardly any better than nr2003, the cars certainly don't drive any better than nr2003. What's so special about it besides that the graphics are better? People are complaining left and right still about the net code. The are still complaining about the SR rating, they are still complaining that the cars drive on ice, they are still complaining that when iRacing make a new build, it makes the cars worse.

But if you mean "up to date" as if they continually make updates to their software to make all the cars drive worse, and to the point that over 50% of the people paying for the product are complaining about it, then I guess your right. iRacing is more up to date than nr2003 or r-factor or any other racing simulation.

To me that speaks more volumes than this 5 cent bubblegum you're throwing around.

There, no name calling...just my opinion.

Your the one thinking I'm making a huge deal out of this. I made a post that deserves some press. It's now a 7 page long thread. I could care less if no one posted in this thread. I just thought it was an odd scenario. There has yet to be anyone to explain this odd scenario.

I'm far from being bitter or nervous. SRD has just as many members as iRacing. SRD is also using a racing simulation that has more graphical updates in the past 6 months than iRacing has done in 3 years.

Were doing just fine here

There, no name calling, just stating facts

 

[beatnik]

That's your opinion, but not what I am trying to do. You and Dave completely fabricate scenarios and ignore what the facts are.



Once again, your ignoring the facts and sticking your head in the sand like your brother Dave. The owner of iRacing who happens to be part owner of Roush/Fenway racing cannot use his own racing simulation at his race shop. None of you iRacing fans can give me an answer as to why this is other than the continuation of slamming nr2003. I gave my reason, what's yours?

You say nr2003 is out of date, yet iRacing still hasn't inserted any other model or even a set of Goodyear Eagles in the most "up to date" simulation racing game on the internet. The physics are hardly any better than nr2003, the cars certainly don't drive any better than nr2003. What's so special about it besides that the graphics are better? People are complaining left and right still about the net code. The are still complaining about the SR rating, they are still complaining that the cars drive on ice, they are still complaining that when iRacing make a new build, it makes the cars worse.

But if you mean "up to date" as if they continually make updates to their software to make all the cars drive worse, and to the point that over 50% of the people paying for the product are complaining about it, then I guess your right. iRacing is more up to date than nr2003 or r-factor or any other racing simulation.



Your the one thinking I'm making a huge deal out of this. I made a post that deserves some press. It's now a 7 page long thread. I could care less if no one posted in this thread. I just thought it was an odd scenario. There has yet to be anyone to explain this odd scenario.

I'm far from being bitter or nervous. SRD has just as many members as iRacing. SRD also using a racing simulation that has more graphical updates in the past 6 months than iRacing has done in 3 years.

Were doing just fine here

There, no name calling, just stating facts

Unfortunately Matt, no one (outside of the Roush organization obviously) knows the "facts" as you want to call them as to why NR2003 was their instead of iRacing, my guess is because iRacing has to have a special version created to feature LAN racing. Perhaps someone already point that out to you but you conveniently overlooked it?

I would really appreciate if you kept from putting me in the same boat as Pawlak, we are two completely opposite styles. I confine myself to this forum for iRacing talk.

As for the "driving like ****" part, what do you want them to do? Give you a street car type feel on a simulator for 900 HP rockets? I mean the Late Model and Trucks already have traction control on them? That isn't enough, eh? Perhaps that is why they feel like ****. It's also a reason I keep myself racing B Class and A Class only. I have no problems what-so-ever with the physics on those. My claim on up-to-date is purely based on how iRacing has more recent data than 2000-2002 cup car physics to put into their engine. They also have aero dynamic physics of a realistic COT. Someone could model a brick for NR2003 and it would still drive like a early 2000s cup car.

Your play on updated graphics is comical to me, the graphic updates are user-generated and sub-standard as far as I am concerned and cannot be accurately represented in Nr2003. The cockpits are off, the scaling is off, want me to go further? Don't get me started on the tires.

However seeing you talk about Goodyear, Dodge, Toyota, Ford, yadayadayada it seems to me like you want to drive logos instead of race cars with the best physics. The tire model on iRacing is Goodyear but just because it doesn't have a logo it makes you bad.

As for the manufacturers, you are right...I can't argue that, they don't have all four. In the end though what is the huge difference? What benefit would iRacing have to developing three more makes when they aren't that huge of a contrast to the Impala?

You're still sounding as if you just want one reason to believe NR2003 is still the simulator of choice when it clearly is not. It is predominately the choice for those who cannot afford iRacing at this time, do not see the logic in paying for iRacing or just don't have the machine to run it.

Your claim about having the same amount of members as iRacing made me chuckle to. While I am not trying to take anything from your site because it is a great resource for NR2003 paints, this place doesn't have as nearly as many active users as iRacing. Good thinking though.

 

[JeffJordan]

Unfortunately Matt, no one (outside of the Roush organization obviously) knows the "facts" as you want to call them as to why NR2003 was their instead of iRacing, my guess is because iRacing has to have a special version created to feature LAN racing. Perhaps someone already point that out to you but you conveniently overlooked it?

I would really appreciate if you kept from putting me in the same boat as Pawlak, we are two completely opposite styles. I confine myself to this forum for iRacing talk.

As for the "driving like ****" part, what do you want them to do? Give you a street car type feel on a simulator for 900 HP rockets? I mean the Late Model and Trucks already have traction control on them? That isn't enough, eh? Perhaps that is why they feel like ****. It's also a reason I keep myself racing B Class and A Class only. I have no problems what-so-ever with the physics on those. My claim on up-to-date is purely based on how iRacing has more recent data than 2000-2002 cup car physics to put into their engine. They also have aero dynamic physics of a realistic COT. Someone could model a brick for NR2003 and it would still drive like a early 2000s cup car.

Your play on updated graphics is comical to me, the graphic updates are user-generated and sub-standard as far as I am concerned and cannot be accurately represented in Nr2003. The cockpits are off, the scaling is off, want me to go further? Don't get me started on the tires.

However seeing you talk about Goodyear, Dodge, Toyota, Ford, yadayadayada it seems to me like you want to drive logos instead of race cars with the best physics. The tire model on iRacing is Goodyear but just because it doesn't have a logo it makes you bad.

As for the manufacturers, you are right...I can't argue that, they don't have all four. In the end though what is the huge difference? What benefit would iRacing have to developing three more makes when they aren't that huge of a contrast to the Impala?

You're still sounding as if you just want one reason to believe NR2003 is still the simulator of choice when it clearly is not. It is predominately the choice for those who cannot afford iRacing at this time, do not see the logic in paying for iRacing or just don't have the machine to run it.

Your claim about having the same amount of members as iRacing made me chuckle to. While I am not trying to take anything from your site because it is a great resource for NR2003 paints, this place doesn't have as nearly as many active users as iRacing. Good thinking though.

First of all....WOW, that was long.

I have tried iRacing myself, it worked fine on my machine, it was just simply worthless to me because it had no AI. People can have their own opinions. And, yes, at the moment, NR2003 is about $100 on a site like eBay. If I'm correct, a year and a month outweighs the flat fee for NR2003. Only a year and a month. If you are truly a simracer, then NR2003 has a lot more worth than iRacing.

iRacing certainly doesn't have the best physics. From what I've seen, the cars fly too often, like this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgVpnlMkQ8]YouTube - iRacing Crash Trucks Lowe's[/ame]
I don't even understand how that happens.

Heck, the truck in iRacing would even die after a few hits. I could still drive the piece of junk (that means the damaged truck, not iRacing trucks in general)

 

[Alpinestars-rcn-24]

I got mine for free. INTERNET!

 

[chevy29]

That simulator you guys are talking about is probably a Kraemer Industries racing sim,you know Kraemer as in David Kraemer! And IRacing is closer to 95% nr2k3 coding!!

 

[moppenheimer]

Who is David Kraemer?

 

[DPawlak]

First of all....WOW, that was long.

I have tried iRacing myself, it worked fine on my machine, it was just simply worthless to me because it had no AI. People can have their own opinions. And, yes, at the moment, NR2003 is about $100 on a site like eBay. If I'm correct, a year and a month outweighs the flat fee for NR2003. Only a year and a month. If you are truly a simracer, then NR2003 has a lot more worth than iRacing.

iRacing certainly doesn't have the best physics. From what I've seen, the cars fly too often, like this:
YouTube - iRacing Crash Trucks Lowe's
I don't even understand how that happens.

Heck, the truck in iRacing would even die after a few hits. I could still drive the piece of junk (that means the damaged truck, not iRacing trucks in general)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj1IgOR0Jvc]YouTube - BIGGEST NR2003 GLITCH EVER![/ame]

 

[David24]

However seeing you talk about Goodyear, Dodge, Toyota, Ford, yadayadayada it seems to me like you want to drive logos instead of race cars with the best physics. The tire model on iRacing is Goodyear but just because it doesn't have a logo it makes you bad.

It's the fact that it's realistic. Matt (like most if not all people) want it to be realistic. And so what if he wants to drive logos? Is that why iRacing made templates for you guys to put your own logos on?

 

[ValvolineMan]

YouTube - BIGGEST NR2003 GLITCH EVER!

That'll happen when people screw with the track.ini.

 

[Janitor Dave]

That'll happen when people screw with the track.ini.

And they make figure 8 tracks that aren't supposed to be used offline.

 

[Burnout]

They also have aero dynamic physics of a realistic COT.

Yes, but just physics from one make, the Impala.

Your play on updated graphics is comical to me, the graphic updates are user-generated and sub-standard as far as I am concerned and cannot be accurately represented in Nr2003.

And apparently iRacing can't make accurate models either. NR2003 can still have more accurate models than iRacing, maybe not as detailed, but surely more accurate. And trust me, you do not want to test me on that.

As for the manufacturers, you are right...I can't argue that, they don't have all four. In the end though what is the huge difference? What benefit would iRacing have to developing three more makes when they aren't that huge of a contrast to the Impala?

The aerodynamic feel of each make (if simulated accurately) would make a difference for the subscribers. Some may do better with one make than others, thus it makes it a more true to life simulation.

It is predominately the choice for those who cannot afford iRacing at this time, do not see the logic in paying for iRacing or just don't have the machine to run it.

Don't forget, NR2003 is still the choice for those who weren't too thrilled when iRacing started suing modders, even before they legally had the source code.