**Official** NASCAR Is Removing The Wing (Spoiler pics pg. 19)

[wslates]

I think they should of made several test with the spoiler in the off season. Then go to daytona with the spoilier. NASCAR is making to many mid season changes.

That would be nearly impossible. The shootout's next week.

 

[3fan]

I like it, I'd like to see it look colored with the car, I miss when teams could color the spoiler/wing. It added some style.

Amen!!!

 

[JRRacing64]

From Jayski -

Owners, NASCAR talk about keeping wing at superspeedways: One of the things that was discussed Sunday morning at Daytona International Speedway is that some of the owners and some NASCAR officials have gone and whispered in Sprint Cup Series director John Darby and Vice President of Competition Robin Pemberton's ear: "Hey, maybe we need to keep the rear wing on this car for the remaining restrictor plate races for the rest of 2010." NASCAR will replace the rear wing on the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series car with a more traditional spoiler later this season [Around race 6-8 range if testing goes well]. But based strictly on the results saw on track during Speedweeks in Daytona the car package is very favorable. NASCAR and the teams still have to go to the other restrictor-plate track on the schedule, Talladega Superspeedway, and do a lot of testing to see if the tires and all the other changes they made to the car during the offseason will work the way it needs to. But if they elect to leave the wing on the cars at superspeedways, teams can use all the information gained during the last two weeks of racing, which will probably still be good for the rest of the season. That would eliminate a big variable at superspeedways that could cost the teams a lot of money to test.(in part by Jeff Hammond of FoxSports)(2-16-201

Looks like the wing might be staying for a little while longer now.

 

[Markfan]

That really doesn't make sense to keep the wings at only superspeedways, considering that is where they're the biggest problem (except for at Indy).

 

[moppenheimer]

What makes it the biggest problem at SuperSpeedways?

There are three common complaints which is why theyre removing it.

1: Its ugly. Its ugly everywhere, not an SS issue
2: A driver in clean air has a huge advantage over drivers in the pack. And that makes boring races. Again, not a SS issue.
3: Visibility, which is an issue everywhere, just more prevalent when you're behind someone, but drivers haven't really complained about that since the first year the Cot wad introduced.

 

[Markfan]

What makes it the biggest problem at SuperSpeedways?
The fact they get airborne WAY easier due to it.

Three of the four superspeedway races last year had blow overs. (While not all completely due to the design, it is a problem and the #39's blowover is the strongest example of how the wing is bad at ss races)

 

[moppenheimer]

Three of the four superspeedway races last year had blow overs. (While not all completely due to the design, it is a problem and the #39's blowover is the strongest example of how the wing is bad at ss races)

And cars with Spoilers never Blow over? A car turned around at 200 mph will get airborne no matter what is on the back...and only 1 race last year had a true blow over. I can see an argument that Edwards was a blow over (though it wouldn't have been if Newman didnt hit him), but what was the 3rd?

 

[Markfan]

Actually it wasn't a blowover, but Kyle Busch got airborne at the july Daytona race.

 

[moppenheimer]

He didnt blowover, not even close.....He never even got upside down
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The reason why he got a little airborne on the right side was all the weight ballast to the left, the reason Jr. flipped in the Nwide car on Saturday


The only true blowover last year was Newman at Talledega

 

[Markfan]

I went to take a look and edited the above message seconds before you just posted, for some reason I thought he went higher up than that.

 

[Fisha695]

What makes it the biggest problem at SuperSpeedways?

There are three common complaints which is why theyre removing it.

1: Its ugly. Its ugly everywhere, not an SS issue
2: A driver in clean air has a huge advantage over drivers in the pack. And that makes boring races. Again, not a SS issue.
3: Visibility, which is an issue everywhere, just more prevalent when you're behind someone, but drivers haven't really complained about that since the first year the Cot wad introduced.

1. Spoiler is just as ugly, heck the Cup COT, NNS COT, and the previous few generations of the cars were ugly too.

2. The clean/Dirty air is one of those circumstantial things, A Spoiler creates just as much dirty air and reacts just as well in clean air as the Wing does.

3. Visibility is one of those issues that I think is greatly over-exaggerated, especially when you considered that all drivers sit in their cars at different heights. Mikey Waltrip sits high just because he is a tall person, Newman sits high because of personal preference, whereas Kasey Kahne sits so low he can barely see over the steering wheel becasue that's where he likes to sit.

Attached is an example, and yes I know that the cars aren't really perfectly accurate, and in fairness since I used carviewer the Top one is the Rioux V1 and the bottom one is the Bullring Spoiler, and that's just because those are the two I had. The cars on each "level" are lined up by their front wheels (since that was the lowest part). The yellow rectangle is the field of view that covers pretty well IMO the lowest to highest. As you can see it's not really that big of a difference visibility wise.


I think Chad (and the others) said it best on NASCAR Performance, the wing isn't working like it should because NASCAR makes them mount it too low, if it were up in the air it'd work better, right now they just has (as chad put it) "A spoiler with endplates". Which is what I've been saying since it's Prototype days, put it up in the air like a GT wing and it'll work amazingly well and that all they have now is basically a Dirt-Latemodel spoiler mounted slightly wrong.

 

[JeffJordan]

2. The clean/Dirty air is one of those circumstantial things, A Spoiler creates just as much dirty air and reacts just as well in clean air as the Wing does.

3. Visibility is one of those issues that I think is greatly over-exaggerated, especially when you considered that all drivers sit in their cars at different heights. Mikey Waltrip sits high just because he is a tall person, Newman sits high because of personal preference, whereas Kasey Kahne sits so low he can barely see over the steering wheel becasue that's where he likes to sit.

Actually, the whole concept of the wing is that it makes each car more aerodynamically independent. When the air passes through, it results in the car getting a push. In clean air, a car would go very fast.

 

[moppenheimer]

1. Spoiler is just as ugly, heck the Cup COT, NNS COT, and the previous few generations of the cars were ugly too.

2. The clean/Dirty air is one of those circumstantial things, A Spoiler creates just as much dirty air and reacts just as well in clean air as the Wing does.

3. Visibility is one of those issues that I think is greatly over-exaggerated, especially when you considered that all drivers sit in their cars at different heights. Mikey Waltrip sits high just because he is a tall person, Newman sits high because of personal preference, whereas Kasey Kahne sits so low he can barely see over the steering wheel becasue that's where he likes to sit.

Attached is an example, and yes I know that the cars aren't really perfectly accurate, and in fairness since I used carviewer the Top one is the Rioux V1 and the bottom one is the Bullring Spoiler, and that's just because those are the two I had. The cars on each "level" are lined up by their front wheels (since that was the lowest part). The yellow rectangle is the field of view that covers pretty well IMO the lowest to highest. As you can see it's not really that big of a difference visibility wise.


I think Chad (and the others) said it best on NASCAR Performance, the wing isn't working like it should because NASCAR makes them mount it too low, if it were up in the air it'd work better, right now they just has (as chad put it) "A spoiler with endplates". Which is what I've been saying since it's Prototype days, put it up in the air like a GT wing and it'll work amazingly well and that all they have now is basically a Dirt-Latemodel spoiler mounted slightly wrong.

I was not stating those as my opinions, sorry i didnt make that clearer, I was just explaining the general consensus in regards to the removal, and it wasnt because it flips cars.