**Official** NASCAR Is Removing The Wing (Spoiler pics pg. 19)

[Kevin_McAdams]

I'm almost sure, if the nns COT has a great audition in 2010, that the sprint cup COT will most likely go to that style. I'm pretty sure Brian France doesn't want NNS being the premier league for racing, even though without Kyle Busch it would at some places. I hope they go a totally different direction on the front end though. Same bumper height so they line up like they do now, but do away with the splitter style where the front indents about 5-7" inward. They should have that closed off straight down, which in my opinion would look great. The new spoiler remind me of the truck series spoiler, which has provided great racing.

 

[Fisha695]

A Wing creates lift when the Convex side is on the top of the wing, right?

The air moves faster over the Convex side then it does the Concave side creating low pressure on the top of the wing thus allowing the High pressure to lift the wing up. Correct?

When the Concave side is up and the Convex side is down the wing generates Down force becuase the Low Pressure is below the wing so the High Pressure would then push the wing down. Correct?

The way the wing on the COT is mounted when traveling forward the wing is a Downforce wing, with the Concave side up and Convex side down. Right?

When the car is traveling backwards the Wing is still in the same position as when the car is traveling forwards with the Concave side up & Convex side down. Correct?

Therefore the wing even when backwards is still a downforce wing that does not create lift, and the only way it would create lift is if in the wing was mounted upside down. Correct?

 

[DannyM]

We need a spoiler to keep the front of the car down in the turns. The COT depends on clean air to push the nose down with the wing, so only one driver gets that privilege..... THE LEADER! Absolutly destroying close races at 1.5 - 2 mile tracks.

 

[Fisha695]

We need a spoiler to keep the front of the car down in the turns. The COT depends on clean air to push the nose down with the wing, so only one driver gets that privilege..... THE LEADER! Absolutly destroying close races at 1.5 - 2 mile tracks.

The Spoiler (or any aero device on the rear of the car) has nothing to do with keeping the nose down, in anything any aero device (spoiler, Wing, Trunk-hump, etc) that you put on the back of the car lifts the front of the car up because it creates a downward push on the rear of the car, and well when you push down on the rear of a car the front wants to go up.

 

[DBReaver35]

NASCAR Says Rear Spoilers, Yellow Lines, "No Bumping Zones" May Disappear In 2010: NASCAR's Managing Director Corporate Communications, Ramsey Poston, said Friday that the sanctioning body is investigating the possibility of replacing rear wings with old-style rear spoilers in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, in time for the start of the 2010 Daytona 500. However, Poston told Sirius NASCAR Radio's Sirius Speedway with Dave Moody that the change has nothing to do with cars becoming airborne during high speed crashes at the circuits two superspeedways; Daytona and Talladega. "We took a car to the wind tunnel after last year's fall race at Talladega and recreated Ryan Newman's crash to as high a degree as possible," he said. "Those tests showed beyond any doubt that the rear wing had no effect on the way that race car took off. With that said, we talked to 14 different drivers at the NASCAR Technical Center yesterday [Thursday], and all 14 of them were in favor of going back to rear spoilers as a way of increasing downforce and improving competition. As a result of the input we have received from those drivers, and others, I think it's safe to say that we are taking a very serious look at the possibility of reintroducing rear spoilers for the 2010 season." If NASCAR elects to move forward with the change, Poston said the sanctioning body will wind-tunnel test the package almost immediately, before scheduling an on-track test session prior to the start of SpeedWeek 2010. Poston said NASCAR has met with every track operator since the end of last season, along with drivers, owners, crewchiefs and even media partners in an effort to determine what might be done to improve competition, and that the rear wing/spoiler is only one item on the list. "If it helps us improve competition, we will move forward with it," said Poston. "There are other changes that we will announce during the annual Media Tour that I think will be welcomed by everyone; drivers, crewchiefs, team owners and especially fans."
Poston revealed that NASCAR is likely to loosen the reins on drivers next season, saying, "We're going to let the drivers drive." While declining to give specifics prior to the official announcement, it is expected that NASCAR will eliminate the controversial "no bumping zones" at superspeedways, and possibly even the rule prohibiting drivers from racing below a yellow line at the bottom of the banking at both Daytona and Talladega.(Sirius Speedway)(1-9-2010) As reported from Jayski

 

[MattSRD28]

More exciting racing my ass! How many seconds did Jim Bot have over 2nd place in the Snorefest 500 at California?

That would be an eye-popping, jaw-dropping, snore-inducing, completely anti-climactic 1.603 seconds!


...not every race can end in a photo finish dude. Even if we somehow rigged racing to always finish that way, you'd eventually get bored with that too out of sheer monotony.

Since the biggest beef with the wing seems to be asthetics, can't say I care either way. If the wing stays, great. If not, oh well. The biggest grief in my life that going back to a spoiler would bring is that yet another COT Mod for NR2003 would have to be made.

 

[zaw24fan]

Poston revealed that NASCAR is likely to loosen the reins on drivers next season, saying, "We're going to let the drivers drive." While declining to give specifics prior to the official announcement, it is expected that NASCAR will eliminate the controversial "no bumping zones" at superspeedways, and possibly even the rule prohibiting drivers from racing below a yellow line at the bottom of the banking at both Daytona and Talladega.(Sirius Speedway)(1-9-2010) As reported from Jayski

Can you say "Notastalgic blast?!?!?!"

 

[Bucket]

Well, the problem with the Mexico Series cars is that they have fiberglass bodies and only a partial rollcage, but the track design was also to blame...

 

[88fan]

Ok i have sat here and read what most of yall posted but ill say this after watching NASCAR classics a couple of times and watching current races the COT does make the racing different, as in sucky compared to old times but on the other hand the good racing is still there just not as much lol like at i think it was the coke 600 maybe the race after that but Ryan Newman and Kasey Kahne were upfront and there was a great looking battle there between Kyle and some other racers i forgot who cause i fell asleep when i was watching it lol

 

[Markfan]

Ok i have sat here and read what most of yall posted but ill say this after watching NASCAR classics a couple of times and watching current races the COT does make the racing different, as in sucky compared to old times but on the other hand the good racing is still there just not as much lol like at i think it was the coke 600 maybe the race after that but Ryan Newman and Kasey Kahne were upfront and there was a great looking battle there between Kyle and some other racers i forgot who cause i fell asleep when i was watching it lol

So . . . basically you think that the older races were better and that there was a race recently that was so exciting that you fell asleep.

Works for me lol.

 

[88fan]

lol i probably shouldnt have put the fell asleep part in but i do at certain types of races like at Cali that one was pretty boring i agree with yall, but Daytona wasnt boring! so crappy racing at Cali, Exciting racing at Daytona.

 

[Fisha695]

Well, the problem with the Mexico Series cars is that they have fiberglass bodies and only a partial rollcage, but the track design was also to blame...

Umm they have a full roll-cage, and lots of series run composite bodies, heck there is pretty much a spec Composite Body for the East/West series, and they race at tracks where they have faster speeds then the "top" series that race there.



As for the Yellow Line Rule
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Yellow Line rule has been around since the dawn of racing, hell it goes back to the days of Chariot racing, it's called the RACING SURFACE!

It doesn't matter if it's a white line, a yellow line, a wall, grass, a 500ft cliff, etc that creates the edge of the surface. You race on the Racing surface and only on the racing surface and if you can't comprehend that then get the :Randy-git: out of the sport.

 

[Josh Mertz]

Can you say "Notastalgic blast?!?!?!"

Did someone kill Brian France and resurrect Bill Jr?!

 

[evan07]

Just read on jayski that the rear spoiler could come back so its not dead yet it was posted this morning. Other good news is that the yellow no pass lines could be taken away this year and NASCAR says they might also get rid of the no bumpin zones on the plate tracks. Goanna let the drivers drive I like it!!!!

I think the no yellow lines is a great change to the rules and the no bumping zones were a bad idea from the start. Allowing more track to be raced on the less blocking we will have. I know that the drivers will try to block each other still but it will be much harder to do I think this is moving in the right direction for NASCAR.

 

[JeffJordan]

The yellow line rule has caused most of the wrecks at superspeedways. When someone gets forced down there, they will try anything in their control to get in line, which usuallly stacks up the field. That happened at Daytona earlier in the year, and that caused Carl Edwards to flip at Talladega after Keselowski was afraid to duck under the yellow line. That could have been a lot less messy of a finish and a lot more exciting finish then seeing a car come off the ground and into a fence. It robbed Regan Smith of a win he deserved after he played his cards right that day. That whole rule has caused so many dangerous wrecks that it should be removed if NASCAR wants to fix the problem.

In fact, Talladega and Daytona bump drafting has been one of the few things NASCAR has done right with the COT. Because the bumper heights are equalized, you can't spin someone out by running into them. We don't want a situation like the "lift drafting" accident that happened in ARCA in 2007, and NASCAR has done well with prevented that. The only two times where a car has actually been lifting off the ground because of being hit from behind are when Sam Hornish flipped Casey Mears and when Scott Speed hit David Gilliland when he had a damaged rear bumper.

 

[Markfan]

In fact, Talladega and Daytona bump drafting has been one of the few things NASCAR has done right with the COT. Because the bumper heights are equalized, you can't spin someone out by running into them.

*cough*2008 AMP Energy 500*cough*

 

[JeffJordan]

*cough*2008 AMP Energy 500*cough*

The only one flaw in the system (as shown in Daytona last July) is that if you aren't completely straight when giving someone a shove, you will move them the wrong. As you can see in this video, look at where Edwards is in relation to Biffle when Biffle's car suddenly turns left:

And this is when Kahne was pushing Stremme at Daytona a second before Stremme strays sideways:

 

[Josh Mertz]

"afraid to duck under the yellow line"

He wasn't afraid. He wanted to win.

 

[88fan]

idk if this would help but i found this link:
NASCAR considers getting rid of wing on Cup car - NASCAR News - FOX Sports on MSN

Sorry if its already been posted

 

[David24]

I'm not sure how this would work, but I recall someone mentioning getting rid of the front splitter. If that were to happen AND they put the spoiler back on...BAM we have a boxy version of the old car.