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Shootout/Unlimited Changed...yet again
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No, they just had to find a way to put Danica in it. 
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The change makes sense to me... Should add excitement
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This race is supposed to be exclusive to pole winners and past Shootout/Unlimited winners only. The race has lost its "exclusive feel" yet again. Just another unnecessary change in a long list of unnecessary changes.
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Agreed.
So they added a few more drivers to a preseason exhibition plate race. Is it really that big of a deal and worth complaining over? And I'm as much of a traditionalist/purist as there is. But at the end of the day, is it really all that significant? Not to mention, more cars in a plate race is a GOOD thing.
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Ya. For the All-Star Race, its going to be the chase guys, every race winner from the last 10 years, every all-star race winner period. Plus the top 10 in the Qualifying Race and the Fan Vote....that should make the mandatory 43 car starters. O. and Danica.
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It's funny because I bet the same people complaining about more cars being added to the race are the same people that complained when only 5 cars were left after all the wrecking the last couple of years.
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Could have used seven more cars at this years Unlimited...
I love it, Carl will get a bit more track time with Grubb on top of the pit box now.
I love it, Carl will get a bit more track time with Grubb on top of the pit box now.
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Oh for the love of all things holy...
We're simply at a point where if anything, and I mean ANYTHING changes in the slightest little bit, people will come on here and complain that something changed. Because Nascar never changed at all in its first 65 years, right?
Folks, Nascar makes changes ALL THE TIME! It always has. It probably always will. And guess what? Same goes for every major sport, every major corporation, every major organization. Changes are made ALL THE TIME. So can we please stop this ridiculous whining every single time some change in the rules, or the schedule, or the All-Star race, or whatever we're calling the exhibition race before the Daytona 500 now is made? Please?
This race was initially created by the brand manager of Busch Beer to promote the race's title sponsor. That's it. It has NOT been *only* pole sitters as the fastest in 2nd round qualifying (when such a thing existed), most pole sitters in the then-Busch Series were admitted. Then they started admitting previous winners of the race for a time. Then Busch stopped sponsoring the race and eligibility went all over the place until last year when it went back to poles and former event winners. The point is this race has ALWAYS, with the exception of a few years wandering in the wilderness after Busch left, been pole sitters ...and whoever else we want to include for whatever reason we want to include them.
Has that changed now? No. They've just come up with a couple new reasons for inclusion. Why? Probably because the field was too small with just poles and former event winners. That's the way it works folks. No amount of whining or complaining is going to change that, nor does it invalidate the race's legitimacy. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Don't complain just to complain.
We're simply at a point where if anything, and I mean ANYTHING changes in the slightest little bit, people will come on here and complain that something changed. Because Nascar never changed at all in its first 65 years, right?
Folks, Nascar makes changes ALL THE TIME! It always has. It probably always will. And guess what? Same goes for every major sport, every major corporation, every major organization. Changes are made ALL THE TIME. So can we please stop this ridiculous whining every single time some change in the rules, or the schedule, or the All-Star race, or whatever we're calling the exhibition race before the Daytona 500 now is made? Please?
This race was initially created by the brand manager of Busch Beer to promote the race's title sponsor. That's it. It has NOT been *only* pole sitters as the fastest in 2nd round qualifying (when such a thing existed), most pole sitters in the then-Busch Series were admitted. Then they started admitting previous winners of the race for a time. Then Busch stopped sponsoring the race and eligibility went all over the place until last year when it went back to poles and former event winners. The point is this race has ALWAYS, with the exception of a few years wandering in the wilderness after Busch left, been pole sitters ...and whoever else we want to include for whatever reason we want to include them.
Has that changed now? No. They've just come up with a couple new reasons for inclusion. Why? Probably because the field was too small with just poles and former event winners. That's the way it works folks. No amount of whining or complaining is going to change that, nor does it invalidate the race's legitimacy. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Don't complain just to complain.
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^^^^I'll be damned if that doesn't sum it up in a single sentence.
And I know there will probably be comments about "people complaining about the complaining", but thats usually from those who were complaining to begin with, and need a means of justification. So its important to remember that it all starts from the top and rolls downhill.
People saying "it is supposed to be intended...", or "it is supposed to exclusive...", need to swap out "is" for "was". It was intended, and it was exclusive for a certain group at one time, but its not anymore. Things change. The sport is constantly evolving. And thats not a bad thing.
To ask the rhetorical question again - whats wrong with a few more people in the race? Whats so bad about that? And while I highly doubt the new rules were instituted to get ONE particular driver into the (exhibition) race, so what if they were? One of the most popular drivers in the sport, the number-two driver in merchandise sales, and a household name, being put in the race is a bad thing? Probably the one driver who can draw more interest from non-traditional NASCAR fans, and therefore, potentially increase viewership in the process. And yet, having someone like that in the race is a bad thing?
Aside from all of that, does anyone really think that NASCAR isn't trying to do whats in the best interest of the sport? The more 'NASCAR the sport' succeeds, the more 'NASCAR the business' succeeds. And the way to make 'NASCAR the sport' successful, is to make it appeal to the fans (generally speaking as a whole, not just niche corners of the fanbase). Thats what NASCAR is constantly trying to do. And I'll guarantee there isn't another pro sports league in the world that listens to it's fanbase anywhere near as much as NASCAR does. Not even close.
And yet, every time some kind of change is made - even as small as adding five or so drivers to an exhibition race - theres no shortage of complaining. And its exactly whats in the quote box above - complaining just to complain. It might sound crazy to some, but maybe NASCAR deserves a little bit of a break for once? Or, maybe they even deserve a little bit of praise or 'thanks' for constantly trying to improve the sport in every aspect possible, and actually valuing and utilizing the feedback it gets from the fanbase, unlike any other pro league or sanctioning body. Instead of commending NASCAR for listening and always trying to improve, we just complain and complain some more with every decision they make.
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I gotta agree with what Matt & a couple other guys said. It's a plate race, so more cars adds to the excitement. The field was going to be really thin this year without the changes. Plus, it gives teams an extra chance to work out any problems before the real racing begins. Change doesn't always have to be bad, & it's not like Nascar has NEVER seen a good change.
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That's just it! It was NEVER ***exclusive*** to pole sitters. It has always been pole sitters and whoever else the Busch people wanted to include. Most times fastest in 2nd round qualifying? You're in, even though that means you're effing slow. Most poles in the Busch Series? You're in ...but you're going to drive a Busch beer sponsored car. Won this race before but didn't get a pole? No problem, you're in too. This all happened before, and now Nascar and the Sprint people are doing the exact same thing. Yes, there were a few years spent wandering in the wilderness after Busch left with manufacturer stuff and all, but that's past. What's happening now is really no different than what happened during the Busch years.
See, it's never really been that exclusive. I mean, how different is including fastest in 2nd round qualifying from including past Daytona 500 pole winners? It's not. It's really not. It's just another, different way to include more than just pole sitters. That's how this race has ALWAYS been formed. It's pole sitters ...and friends. That's what it is. That's what it returned to a couple of years ago. People really just like to complain for the sake of complaining, and I wish they would find some other forum to do it on than this one.
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I've always had this opinion for special races: the more cars, the better.
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I love what Matt brought up about previous modifications by sponsors. The only problem I would have had is if they stopped letting all pole sitters in the race, but they didn't change that at all, all they did was add more cars to the field. It gives teams like the #78 track time in night race conditions to prepare for the 150s
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To me I have always known this race to be for the pole sitters from the previous year and former race winners of this race. I don't have an issue with them including the former Daytona 500 pole winners. Since in my mind this race is for pole sitters and Daytona is pretty much the biggest race of the year. Since the Sprint Unlimited is also at Daytona, it kind of makes sense. I'm not crazy about them including the drivers from the Chase even though this year it only looks like that is adding 4 drivers to the race. One of the reasons that you made the Chase was because you won a race. If anything I would rather see those drivers added to the All Star Race. I would like the idea of having two special races a year. One for race winners and one for race pole sitters. When Busch was sponsoring the race they did enter the Busch Series driver with the most poles for that series in the previous. I would like to see them bring that back in some race for both the Xfinity and Camping World Truck Series.
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