Should Auto Club go back to 1 race?

[moppenheimer]

I sort of agree, its nice to have it on the schedule, being the Mecca of American motorsport, but it just doesnt really seem to work for stockcars....

 

[shane9]

Lol, Just so you know I always have to sit in the short shute in 1 and 2... That's where I'll work also.

And the 2008 race... I LOVED that race... The cars were bunched up all the time, Plenty of breaks to go use the restroom or get refreshments, and not miss any racing...

I sit right under the big screen in turn 2 on the mound lol.... Thats where i've been for the past 3 or 4 years now and i usually have a camera in my hand. I like to take pictures from all the races i go to.. dirt and paved.. its all racing


Matt i like your idea about fireing the staff... Dont get me wrong.. its a great track just like michigan, personally to me any track whatever flaws it may have whether it be the racing, or the management in this case... its still a race track and it lies close to my heart. I want whats best for racing...whats best for us fans. i hope they get there stuff straightend out.

Insane ticket prices.. yes its rediculous... and it shouldn't cost so much. Its all about the money though in my opinion... its about lining pockets... and its sad and it shouldn't be like that. It should be... putting the fans in the posistion where they wont have to kill themselves to goto a race... and there isn't many other sports thats so family oriented. i know for a fact.. you can get up close and personal with the drivers and cars... heck i ran into max papis in the garage one day... of course on total accident... lol. AJ FOYT almost ran over me with his golf cart lol... What a way to die... I'd be a happy man to die on the edge of that mans golf cart.

but the point... me my dad... my mom and brother, other family members... we all go.. its about the only thing we really do together.. is racing... and i'm sure theres many more families just like that out there that are just like us. Indy prices are 5 dollars for practice... 10 for a qualifying day... and for an infield ticket for a indy 500 mile race.... 20 bucks... its unbeatable.

4 days of qualifying... which is being shrunnk down to 2 days the last i seen... to cut cost of teams and fans alike. and less practice days... cuts down on costs to teams and fans alike... its fan friendly... its just the way it should be.

i couldn't tell you what the prices for the nascar race... cause i quit going to theres cause it was rediculously high.

 

[DannyM]

Yeah, they've definatly got to have it on the schedule. It brings too much of a crowd to take it off, but the racing, in my opinion, it has some of the worst racing in the series. Last year, whoever was leading wasn't going to give it up. It made restarts a crapshoot, but killed the long greens.

 

[shane9]

I sort of agree, its nice to have it on the schedule, being the Mecca of American motorsport, but it just doesnt really seem to work for stockcars....

part of the racing issue is to do with the aero package. and i think with the spoiler it will get better.

look at that talldega race from a year or too back... its was like single file the whole race... its all the aero packages and tires. get the right combo... it'll be great imo

 

[MattSRD28]

I forgot to mention exactly why insane ticket prices are such a problem. High ticket prices alone combined with poor economic conditions doesn't guarantee failure. It's stupid, but it won't guarantee failure.

Here's why failure is guaranteed. The SoCal market has TONS of additional world-class entertainment offerings that go on all year round. We have championship sports that actually wins championships. We have Hollywood where, instead of watching them on TV, people can visit the studios and watch their favorite TV shows LIVE for FREE. We have the beaches that can be visited all year-round because it does not snow there. We also have more theme parks than Orlando, which charge a cheaper price than the parks in Orlando. ALL of these entertainment offerings are MUCH, MUCH cheaper than Auto Club Speedway, are shorter drives, and much more pleasant experiences than sitting on a hard metal grandstand for 5-6 hours. The track's already got an uphill battle in terms of competition, and that's before it charges insane ticket prices for everything!

But, if Auto Club Speedway wants to survive, not only can they not charge insane ticket prices for everything, but they have to compete in the SoCal entertainment market. That means advertising, marketing, providing really great perks & incentives for ALL race fans to enjoy (not just the ones who spend $60 for some complimentary beverages and a driver appearance), and a genuine demonstration of ensuring that the fans have a top notch experience at the race track. If the track doesn't want to compete and provide its paying customers with actual value, then it should die.

But, again, the track management is so far in denial about all of this that I'll be extatic simply for ticket prices coming back down to planet earth.

 

[dalejrgamer]

Concerning Indy: you know, if you ask me, if they decide to pull the date, I wouldn't miss it. The tire debacle of 2005 (LOL 6 CARS STARTED MICHELIN SUX) and 2008 (GOODYEAR: THE WORLDWIDE LEADER OF CREATING LOW-QUALITY RUBBER) makes me doubt that it will ever get an F1 date again, and the 2008 fiasco, plus the 2009 screwjob (or a boring race with a crap winner, to be fair) probably made everyone doubt Indy. Let's not forget that the track saw a poor crowd turnout for the 400, as well as the Indy 500 of all races. And this is the race that draws over 500,000 fans for the 500 alone since the Hulman-George era began?

And, let's add to the point of why ACS is in danger of losing a date: remember the time where Los Angeles has two NFL teams? We know how that went. And what the hell makes you think that third time's the charm? The area is incapable of supporting TWO NFL teams, and it's equally incapable of supporting a NASCAR track since Riverside went to take a dirt nap.

 

[MattSRD28]

The area is incapable of supporting TWO NFL teams, and it's equally incapable of supporting a NASCAR track since Riverside went to take a dirt nap.

You've totally missed everything I've been saying. We cannot pay the insane ticket prices this track is charging! Pocono charges $70 for a good seat while ACS charges $330! No track, stadium, or anything survives with this kind of idiocy!

To think that the SoCal market can't "support" Nascar is ludicrous. We can support 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, 2 NHL teams, Hollywood, and everything else. SoCal is the largest market that Nascar races in since Nascar does not race inside the NYC media market. The Glen and NHMS aren't close enough to NYC to be literally in the market. ACS is in the Los Angeles market. We can support it fine, but this track charges the most ridiculous prices for what it delivers that I've ever seen.

 

[dalejrgamer]

You've totally missed everything I've been saying. We cannot pay the insane ticket prices this track is charging! Pocono charges $70 for a good seat while ACS charges $330! No track, stadium, or anything survives with this kind of idiocy!

To think that the SoCal market can't "support" Nascar is ludicrous. We can support 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, 2 NHL teams, Hollywood, and everything else. SoCal is the largest market that Nascar races in since Nascar does not race inside the NYC media market. The Glen and NHMS aren't close enough to NYC to be literally in the market. ACS is in the Los Angeles market. We can support it fine, but this track charges the most ridiculous prices for what it delivers that I've ever seen.

I was merely stating that on the grounds that Zucker is an idiot. But I digress.

 

[DeeCee]

Give the date back where it came from...... Darlington.

 

[Bucket]

I haven't read anything else on this thread except the first post.

The way I see it, ACS is in fact a track that needs only one date. BUT, I believe that Kentucky and a second Indy race would be great. Ermm...What? Sadly, I don't see Kentucky coming to Sprint Cup competition any time soon. Pocono, well, how did they get two dates again? Good prices, the Mattioli family. When was the last time a race there wasn't decided on fuel mileage or end under caution? 2009. And why is it always so gloomy there? It's called northeastern summer weather! Who knows. People who live in the northeast. But, it's an underrated track the deserves to keep it's two dates. You were just arguing against it having two dates! Everyone says Darlington should have two races. Here's my simple solution: Keep it to one race and just move it to labor day weekend. Lemme guess, you don't care about tradition? A simple fix right there. Not really. I still say a second race at Indy would be great! Ermm...What? Hopefully on the roadcourse! Boy, that turn 2, turn 6, turn 10, and clockwise configuration will work great with cup cars! (Tony George didn't build it for nothing now, did he? No, he built if for F1, who seven years later would cut it off the schedule because of one 9 degree corner and the fact that it is in America. The damn chairman hates America.) Good Grief, you are an idiot! I take it you don't remember the 2005 US Grand Prix? You are the same guy that was pissing and moaning about wanting to get keep the Crap of Today and restrictor plates in the name of saftey! How does tire failures at 220 MPH sound? Safe? So yeah, that's my two cents. Keep the change.

I swear, the more you post, the less respect I have for you.

 

[MattSRD28]

Can I just make a general plea for everyone to treat everyone else with respect, regardless of their opinion?

 

[dalejrgamer]

NASCAR needs another road course. But not the Indy configuration.

Honestly, the track only needs one date and one date only: The Indy 500. The Brickyard 400 proved two years straight that it's just a big time failure.

 

[MattSRD28]

The Brickyard 400 proved two years straight that it's just a big time failure.

'08 was regreattable, sure. '09 was a big improvement over that, yes. However, before the '08 race, there were 14 Brickyard 400's that were all successes, and built the Brickyard 400 into the prestigious race that it is. Nascar as a sport would take a huge hit by not racing at Indy, and Indy would take a huge hit by not holding the annual Brickyard 400.

Nascar needs races like the Brickyard 400. Nascar will not survive by holding 30 races in the southeast every year. Nascar needs to race in the west, the midwest, the north, the south, everywhere in the USA that can build a suitable facility for Nascar racing. Otherwise growth will not be among the items listed in Nascar's future.

 

[dalejrgamer]

'08 was regreattable, sure. '09 was a big improvement over that, yes. However, before the '08 race, there were 14 Brickyard 400's that were all successes, and built the Brickyard 400 into the prestigious race that it is. Nascar as a sport would take a huge hit by not racing at Indy, and Indy would take a huge hit by not holding the annual Brickyard 400.

Nascar needs races like the Brickyard 400. Nascar will not survive by holding 30 races in the southeast every year. Nascar needs to race in the west, the midwest, the north, the south, everywhere in the USA that can build a suitable facility for Nascar racing. Otherwise growth will not be among the items listed in Nascar's future.

The only problem I see about that is politicians. Nevermind the fact that some of the regions aren't very NASCAR-friendly...the northwest, for starters.

 

[denyerfan]

I agree, 1 shambles because of a GOODYEAR failure, and then one race where passing was more or less impossible, should not overrule 14 great races.
I just enjoy stock cars running around Indy, for me to enjoy it doesn't particularly mean there needs to be any action!

I agree that NASCAR needs just 1 more road course.
There was a nascar.com poll a while ago where about 60/70% wanted another one. The rest either said no keep it at 2, and the odd few hundred said can them all together.

I don't know why you guys (general US nascar fans) ever complain about them. I come from a RC background, and trust me, the RC racing nascar puts on is very very high quality racing, where passing is very very possible, unlike most rc world racing at the moment.
plus the cars look amazing, big ridiculous fat cars rolling around!!!
And the drivers are fantastic, apart from the odd 1 or 2.

Tough decision picking a track for it though.
Can't be a street track, you don't wanna head down that bottomless pit.
Lagune Seca was mentioned, that wld rule!

 

[MattSRD28]

I'd personally be in favor of a Cup race at Circuit Gilles Villenuve in Canada. It's a great way to make a first step in a brand new market, and the Nationwide Series has blazed a trail there.

Unfortunately a new road course race anywhere is a bit low on the totem pole when it comes to scoring a Cup Series date. At least Kansas & Kentucky would come first, and then there's the little problem of no current track wanting to give up a date. There is no North Wilkesboro that can be bought & its dates given to 2 tracks this time.

 

[Corey Carpenter]

i say remove one of the races from fontana and give to vegas
it keeps the date in the west, and im moving to vegas... you see my reasoning

 

[Alpinestars-rcn-24]

I agree with u, but they need to get rid of Michigan. And put a Vegas night race

 

[3fan]

Should Auto Club go back to one race?

YES,
'nuff said

 

[pennst24]

NASCAR should stay out west...but build maybe like a Bristol-type track out there, not a huge wide ass track that constitutes single file