Townley apparently injured, Bowyer to substiute

[canadienhits]

Well Townley getting canned, if true, comes as no suprise....Townley has been SLOWLY moving up or sideways through the lower bigs in the past few years, most of the time in RAB's 09 Ford's in the ARCA or Nationwide series.

Timothy Peters never really got a fair shot at RCR, neither did Stephen Leicht, even though he just came from a successful Yates car before the team was dissolved.

As for the development drivers on RCR's site, it's worth noting that Gifford in the K&N is really property of Revolution Racing (the new Drive for Diversity program taken over by Max Siegel). Sean Caisse is no longer a RCR development driver. Jeffrey Earnhardt is a EGR driver, but the company has looked to outsource hit (talk was to try and get him in the 40 Key Motorsports ride). And Jesus Hernandez is in limbo (no mention of him after 2009 on his website, EGR, or Wiki.

 

[DBReaver35]

Lynching was a tradition (Particularly in the South) for many years.

Just because something is traditional, does that automatically make it right?

What the hell does Lynching have to do with anything. As for Buschwachers I am not for it, but there isnt anything anyone can do but nascar to stop it.

Second John Wes Townley is still Employed with RCR just wont be racing at Texas.

 

[DBReaver35]

Well Townley getting canned, if true, comes as no suprise....Townley has been SLOWLY moving up or sideways through the lower bigs in the past few years, most of the time in RAB's 09 Ford's in the ARCA or Nationwide series.

Timothy Peters never really got a fair shot at RCR, neither did Stephen Leicht, even though he just came from a successful Yates car before the team was dissolved.

As for the development drivers on RCR's site, it's worth noting that Gifford in the K&N is really property of Revolution Racing (the new Drive for Diversity program taken over by Max Siegel). Sean Caisse is no longer a RCR development driver. Jeffrey Earnhardt is a EGR driver, but the company has looked to outsource hit (talk was to try and get him in the 40 Key Motorsports ride). And Jesus Hernandez is in limbo (no mention of him after 2009 on his website, EGR, or Wiki.

I know all about Revolution Racing, Former East series champ and team owner Andy Santerra is a good friend and over sees all the teams for RR. He isnt property of RR. RR gets money from RCR to help his development on a note to that Darrel Wallace is also a RR driver listed as a Joe Gibbs DD even tho gibbs has its own K&N team. As Far Caisse is or isnt I havent heard I know he was planning on doing K&N series again.

 

[canadienhits]

Fair enough...I misunderstood the Max Siegel interview, from what I had read Gifford, Wallace, Bell and Pena were all D4D/Revolution Racing/Santerra property, rather than farmed out from their respective companies.

I do have to say tho I am impressed by the D4D drivers in the K&N series this season. I've followed Bell's and Gifford's career for the past few years and have rooted for them. I do hope that Gifford gets a chance in the next few years at one of the top three series, and would love to see him race ARCA this season...maybe take a turn in the 31 from Tim George.

Worth noting also....Tim George did quite nicely for ESR last season, so RCR did pick up quite a good driver.

 

[Stetara]

What the hell does Lynching have to do with anything.

Apparently the connection flew over your head.

Many of the defenders of Buschwhacking will cite the fact that Buschwhacking has been around since 1982 and has always been a part of the Busch/Nationwide Series, without ever questioning whether its actually right or not. Much in the same sense that it used to be a cultural trope (Particularly in the South) for a mob to flog someone who had done something wrong, or simply for racial reasons.

Let's suppose that there was a lynching somewhere in the country tomorrow, and the people who had committed such a crime defended themselves on the basis that ''Things have always been this way, so there's nothing wrong with it.''. Can you see the connection now?

 

[DBReaver35]

No because Lynching is a crime and there is laws agaisnt it now. There is no law against Cup star running Nationwide or Trucks.

Second back in day Nationwide/busch driver still ran for the champion only dealing with Cup guys a few times and even then they beat them in some races. I am not a fan of it but I can do nothing about it so I go with the flow. I am a KHI supporter would I like to see some young gun in the seat such as a Cale Gale with sponsers and running well hell yeah and I know so would Kevin and Delania Harvick. I think alot of teams would too.

 

[moppenheimer]

Still missing his point.....

 

[DBReaver35]

I find it hard to find a point in Lynching when we are talking about racing?
One is a crime the other is a sports and business.

 

[moppenheimer]

It isnt about lynching itself. It is about the idea that "well its been like that forever, so it must be right" which was a long held belief of lynching in the South.

Just because Buschwackers have been the norm, doesnt mean, A: It's right, or B: it has to stay that way forever.

 

[Stetara]

It isnt about lynching itself. It is about the idea that "well its been like that forever, so it must be right" which was a long held belief of lynching in the South.

Just because Buschwackers have been the norm, doesnt mean, A: It's right, or B: it has to stay that way forever.

Thank you.

It's not the act itself, it's the perception of the act.

 

[MattSRD28]

Are we really comparing Cup drivers racing in Nationwide or Trucks to LYNCHING? REALLY?

 

[dalejrgamer]

Are we really comparing Cup drivers racing in Nationwide or Trucks to LYNCHING? REALLY?

It's crashman. Therefore, it figures.

 

[MattSRD28]

Lynching was a tradition (Particularly in the South) for many years.

Just because something is traditional, does that automatically make it right?

So this is the post that started the whole lynching thing. An absurdly poor choice for a comparison.

Yes Cup drivers have always been racing in Nationwide & Trucks, but no one ran the entire season in Nationwide and Cup before Kevin Harvick in 2001, and then it wasn't even considered an idea until Dale Earnhardt Sr.'s death. Even then running both series was considered a bad idea until Harvick did it, and was successful in both series being a championship contender in each. Then Biffle started running both full time, Carl Edwards ran both full time, Kyle Busch ran both full time, and consequently we haven't seen a Cup driver not win the Nationwide Series championship since Martin Truex Jr. in 2005.

That said, in the late 2000's, there weren't any real Nationwide Series-only contenders. The best non-Cup drivers in 2006 were J.J. Yeley & Paul Menard, and Menard finished nearly 1600pts behind championship winner Kevin Harvick. 2007 was also a weak year in Nationwide with Edwards winning the championship by 618 points, and Kevin Harvick finishing 4th, less than 200pts behind the top-finishing Nationwide Series-only driver, while only running 26 of 35 races. So, I figure that cup drivers like Harvick, Edwards, Bowyer & Hamlin could race full time because they could easily beat any Nationwide-only talent, and they were all young guys who didn't have the experience of guys like Mark Martin & Jeff Burton who dominated the Nationwide series in the races they ran in it, but didn't run full-time. I believe that guys like Harvick, Edwards, Bowyer, Hamlin and others lacked a perspective that veterans like Joe Nemechek, Bobby Labonte, David Green, Jeff Burton, Mark Martin and others had, and made a choice that drivers of the 90s and earlier just would not have made.

This lack of persepective has created the recent problem of Cup drivers dominating the Nationwide Series, and would dominate the Truck Series as well if a guy like Harvick ran Trucks full time. Yes it's traditional for Cup drivers to race in Nationwide/Truck races, it's NOT traditional for them to run ALL the Nationwide/Truck Series races. And because Cup drivers ARE making the choice to run the lesser series full time now, and its crowding out those who only run the lesser series from winning their series' championship, what does Nascar do? I believe that Nascar has to either forbid Cup drivers from running all the races, or simply deem Cup drivers ineligible from winning a Nationwide or Truck Series championship. One of these two must happen because I don't want either series to go on forever with only Cup Series drivers as champions.

 

[canadienhits]

Nice to see you back Matt...been wondering if you disappeared on us

 

[DBReaver35]

So this is the post that started the whole lynching thing. An absurdly poor choice for a comparison. That is why I had trouble with the comparison

Yes Cup drivers have always been racing in Nationwide & Trucks, but no one ran the entire season in Nationwide and Cup before Kevin Harvick in 2001, and then it wasn't even considered an idea until Dale Earnhardt Sr.'s death. Even then running both series was considered a bad idea until Harvick did it, and was successful in both series being a championship contender in each. Then Biffle started running both full time, Carl Edwards ran both full time, Kyle Busch ran both full time, and consequently we haven't seen a Cup driver not win the Nationwide Series championship since Martin Truex Jr. in 2005.

That said, in the late 2000's, there weren't any real Nationwide Series-only contenders. The best non-Cup drivers in 2006 were J.J. Yeley & Paul Menard, and Menard finished nearly 1600pts behind championship winner Kevin Harvick. 2007 was also a weak year in Nationwide with Edwards winning the championship by 618 points, and Kevin Harvick finishing 4th, less than 200pts behind the top-finishing Nationwide Series-only driver, while only running 26 of 35 races. So, I figure that cup drivers like Harvick, Edwards, Bowyer & Hamlin could race full time because they could easily beat any Nationwide-only talent, and they were all young guys who didn't have the experience of guys like Mark Martin & Jeff Burton who dominated the Nationwide series in the races they ran in it, but didn't run full-time. I believe that guys like Harvick, Edwards, Bowyer, Hamlin and others lacked a perspective that veterans like Joe Nemechek, Bobby Labonte, David Green, Jeff Burton, Mark Martin and others had, and made a choice that drivers of the 90s and earlier just would not have made.

This lack of persepective has created the recent problem of Cup drivers dominating the Nationwide Series, and would dominate the Truck Series as well if a guy like Harvick ran Trucks full time. Yes it's traditional for Cup drivers to race in Nationwide/Truck races, it's NOT traditional for them to run ALL the Nationwide/Truck Series races. And because Cup drivers ARE making the choice to run the lesser series full time now, and its crowding out those who only run the lesser series from winning their series' championship, what does Nascar do? I believe that Nascar has to either forbid Cup drivers from running all the races, or simply deem Cup drivers ineligible from winning a Nationwide or Truck Series championship. One of these two must happen because I don't want either series to go on forever with only Cup Series drivers as champions.

I while in some cases I think your right but other I think its the economic times that kept these guys in cars in the nationwide series. Also you got to remember back in the 90s only a few teams had more then 1 car and most the cars in both series had sponsership. I think the Carl Edwards and Kyle Busch yeah I dont think they have the presepective. For guys like Harvick I think they do but its money that comes invovled. I agree that nascar should put something to keep the Nationwide championship to only Nationwide regulars and not cup guys running a nationwide season. They wont Nascar stated while they understand cons the pros of having cups stars come down still out ways the need to change it.

 

[Stetara]

Bowyer just wrecked the #21. Hey, Childress, ever considered that maybe Townley wasn't the problem?

Nah, it had to be him.

UPDATE: Harvick status = Told

But, then again, those would be stronger words coming from a Nationwide driver. When another Buschwhacker says something like that, it's just the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[DBReaver35]

Bowyer just wrecked the #21. Hey, Childress, ever considered that maybe Townley wasn't the problem?

Nah, it had to be him.

UPDATE: Harvick status = Told

But, then again, those would be stronger words coming from a Nationwide driver. When another Buschwhacker says something like that, it's just the pot calling the kettle black.

What happen yesterday was racing. bowyer was right that it was to early but it was racing. You got alot of hatred toward RCR cup guys running Nationwide but I dont see a damn thing about Carl, Kyle, Joey or The Biff

 

[dalejrgamer]

What happen yesterday was racing. bowyer was right that it was to early but it was racing. You got alot of hatred toward RCR cup guys running Nationwide but I dont see a damn thing about Carl, Kyle, Joey or The Biff

psst, he's a fan of Kyle and Joey, and clearly hates everyone else driving in the Busch Series.

Trust me, I know.

 

[Brett Butler]

Look on this side, Townley hasn't been close to be winning a Nationwide race at all, Lets also figure out this, Did he just come roaming through the Series, Or did he have practice in another series like Late Models, ARCA Re\Max, Techniclly, Any Series that involves stock cars, Did he race in them? If he didn't, This is the result of why he's getting fired, Lack of exp, Wrecking every freking race, Creating rivials and Never coming close to winning a single race in Nationwide. He has only been in the NNS for bout 2 1\2 seasons and has only gotton himself maybe 3 or 4 top 5s, i might stand uncorrectly, Possibly only a couple top 10s and thats it. So, Think to yourself, Did he ever have practice in a Stock Car before coming into this series, Cause when you wreck and all, Thats the result of getting fired.

 

[Enter Sandman]

Look on this side, Townley hasn't been close to be winning a Nationwide race at all, Lets also figure out this, Did he just come roaming through the Series, Or did he have practice in another series like Late Models, ARCA Re\Max, Techniclly, Any Series that involves stock cars, Did he race in them? If he didn't, This is the result of why he's getting fired, Lack of exp, Wrecking every freking race, Creating rivials and Never coming close to winning a single race in Nationwide. He has only been in the NNS for bout 2 1\2 seasons and has only gotton himself maybe 3 or 4 top 5s, i might stand uncorrectly, Possibly only a couple top 10s and thats it. So, Think to yourself, Did he ever have practice in a Stock Car before coming into this series, Cause when you wreck and all, Thats the result of getting fired.

He had a year of ARCA and I believe a few truck races interspersed in there. But, he did the same thing then. I honestly thought when he got that RCR ride he might start to get it but he didn't.