Wheel vs Keyboard Debate

[4WideRacing]

Come on. This is a total copout and another way of taking a jab at people like me suggesting that they use a steering wheel and pedals to enjoy this SIM how it was meant to be played.

All of a sudden if you have a wheel and pedals, you some sort of dead serious sim racer and not enjoying this SIM the way you keyboard jockey's are.

Give me a break. Quite the opposite actually.

Were enjoying it they way the Papy developers intended us to. Don't beleive me? They all moved on to iRacing. Guess what's required to play their latest and greatest racing sim?

But yeah, were all dead serious people who don't enjoy racing sims because we use a steering wheel and pedals.

There is an arcade mode for the people that don't want to get into it as much. The game was made that everyone could enjoy it.

 

[celticfang]

under 10 percent is ok for me anything above that and any time i go to far down in the turns the wheel snaps right and into the wal I go.

I do that even without steering help, so much so that I get asked if I run it. I keep a screenie of my settings handy...

A 100% serious sim simply wouldn't be fun at all. You know, that emotion you experience when you're happy?

For instance, get wrecked? Race over and you can't race again that day. Engine blow? Same. Get caught up in someone else's wreck? Too bad, your car's being repaired. Blow a tire? Yep you wrecked the chassis, enjoy a 45minute repair. Lag in an online race? DNF.

Not to mention that a 100% serious sim simply would not sell, at all. if iRacing were on store shelves, it wouldn't sell, period. I have DCS Black Shark, which is Falcon 4.0-like in how complex and hardcore it is. I personally love it, however it's got mixed reviews, due to its complexity.

NetKar Pro is approaching 'hardcore' levels as I said before. Prior to patch 1.0.3, Kunos had a...guess what, 'full' mode. 1hr+ repairs, no auto putting fuel or tires on the car. No view aside from cockpit (disabling the feature that you can walk around the car).

Then in patch 1.0.3, he scaled it back, saying that while it was something he wanted, it was clear the community didn't.

Same as NR2003. Imagine NR2003 as wheel only with 100% realism? It wouldn't be anywhere near what we have today, and it wouldn't have as big as a fanbase as it has.

'Hardcore' racing sims are a niche within a niche. Netkar Pro survives, barely as hardcore. DCS Black Shark and Falcon 4.0 are still going strong however, mainly as hardcore flight sims are more readily accepted.

EDIT: Steam has DCS for $30 in a sale, it usually sells for $60, but sales figures from their own site haven't been all that great. Even in the more readily accepted hardcore flight sim community (mainly payware addons), people don't want every wire and system modeled, they want something they're comfortable with.

It's the same for input devices. They prefer keyboard, let them use keyboard. They have a wheel or gamepad, that's fine. But don't ram your views down anyone's throat.

EDIT 2:

They all moved on to iRacing. Guess what's required to play their latest and greatest racing sim?

Only because that's what their company moved on. Not each and every Papy employee moved on with FIRST, there's quite a few free agents, so to speak.

 

[Frigus5]

There is an arcade mode for the people that don't want to get into it as much. The game was made that everyone could enjoy it.

This ^

 

[Markfan]

Come on. This is a total copout and another way of taking a jab at people like me suggesting that they use a steering wheel and pedals to enjoy this SIM how it was meant to be played.

So telling people that they should be " offended enough by my comments that you log out, don't come back and ask the same stupid questions again" is a way to suggest getting a steering wheel?

All of a sudden if you have a wheel and pedals, you some sort of dead serious sim racer and not enjoying this SIM the way you keyboard jockey's are.

Give me a break. Quite the opposite actually.

So the keyboardists are dead serious? lol

Were enjoying it they way the Papy developers intended us to. Don't beleive me? They all moved on to iRacing. Guess what's required to play their latest and greatest racing sim?

Matt, this isn't about which (Keyboard-vs-Controller-vs-Wheel) is BETTER (a wheel is obviously the best), the conversation is about the unnecessary criticism of people that you will never race with wanting to enjoy the game the way they want to play it and how they spend their money. You should be perfectly fine with other people playing with devices other than wheels . Oh, and by the way, wheels are not a requirement.

iRacing 2.0 | System Requirements

All four of the above were RECOMMENDATIONS by iRacing, themselves, need I say more about why this argument is pointless?

But yeah, were all dead serious people who don't enjoy racing sims because we use a steering wheel and pedals.

I do have a wheel, by the way, but the way that you are discriminating against keyboard users is unfair.

 

[Mo Neenja31]

So telling people that they should be " offended enough by my comments that you log out, don't come back and ask the same stupid questions again" is a way to suggest getting a steering wheel?



So the keyboardists are dead serious? lol



Matt, this isn't about which (Keyboard-vs-Controller-vs-Wheel) is BETTER (a wheel is obviously the best), the conversation is about the unnecessary criticism of people that you will never race with wanting to enjoy the game the way they want to play it and how they spend their money. You should be perfectly fine with other people playing with devices other than wheels . Oh, and by the way, wheels are not a requirement.

iRacing 2.0 | System Requirements

All four of the above were RECOMMENDATIONS by iRacing, themselves, need I say more about why this argument is pointless?



I do have a wheel, by the way, but the way that you are discriminating against keyboard users is unfair.

WIN

 

[MattyO]

So telling people that they should be " offended enough by my comments that you log out, don't come back and ask the same stupid questions again" is a way to suggest getting a steering wheel?

After years of hearing the same questions as to why they suck racing around the track on a keyboard? Yes, it's a perfect way of telling them get a wheel. I'm tired of seeing the same questions asked about it, when getting a steering wheel and pedals is the best alternative.

So the keyboardists are dead serious? lol

You know what I meant.

Matt, this isn't about which (Keyboard-vs-Controller-vs-Wheel) is BETTER (a wheel is obviously the best), the conversation is about the unnecessary criticism of people that you will never race with wanting to enjoy the game the way they want to play it and how they spend their money. You should be perfectly fine with other people playing with devices other than wheels . Oh, and by the way, wheels are not a requirement.

That's the problem. They aren't spending a dime of THIER money. I'm willing to bet 80% of the kiddies in here haven't paid for #1, nr2003. #2 their computer, #3 their gamepad or steering wheel.

Here is the other problem. Everyone defending keyboard racers is encouraging them to use it even more. When the correct alternative to be a better driver out on the track is by using a steering wheel and pedals. There was a day when people asked for driving tips, it was a given they were using a wheel and pedals.

This laptop, keyboard racing, illegal download generation I am not a fan of, and would rather not even see it, or support it at my site. Catch my drift now?

iRacing 2.0 | System Requirements

All four of the above were RECOMMENDATIONS by iRacing, themselves, need I say more about why this argument is pointless?

I like how you conveniently left out what is directly on the front page of iracing.com and in the system requirements of iracing. I have provided the image for you.

And directly from their system requirements page...

In terms of having the best virtual racing experience however we do suggest a force feedback steering wheel over other types of controllers. Most wheels on the market today also come with a pedal set which is also needed. Some suggested, readily available forced feedback/pedal sets combo are listed below.

That's what should be recommended to everyone in the nr2003 community too. Not this, "aww, it's ok that you suck with a keyboard, we'll get you driving better. Don't listen to those jerks who have wheels, they are hardcore pricks" crap I am seeing here.

I do have a wheel, by the way, but the way that you are discriminating against keyboard users is unfair.

Hardly. Get a job, buy a wheel, and join in the fun with the rest of us who race these racing sims the way they were meant to be raced. Nothing wrong with some tough love. I see way too much sissified answers around here.

That's my final rant about this. I know I am outnumbered and outgunned by all of you here. Most of the people who think like me are in their online leagues and or moved on to iRacing.

So have at it boys.

 

[Fisha695]

Didn't read the entire thread but I personally use my PS3 controller to play racing games on the PC. Nr03, rFactor, DTR, etc if they were only intended for wheels they wouldn't recognize anything but a wheel (more then likely a specific branded wheel that got a gazillion dollars).

They are video games people, get over it.

 

[celticfang]

DTR is...amazing and was ahead of its time.

Now, I use either my flight sim setup (which is as bad as a keyboard, but hey, it's shown up as a wheel so it's okay, right? RIGHT?), or PS3 controller, which I'm decent with. Why not simply ignore the questions? You don't have to read, or respond to them at all, do you call people out in offline leagues for misaligned decals? No. Then why call people out for their CHOICE of controller?

Oh, and note 'we suggest'. Not 'we enforce'. iRacing supports gamepads, joysticks and wheels. So you mean to tell me they aren't hardcore for allowing gamepad and joystick users in?

 

[Phantomguy24]

I got my wheel when i first got Nascar Racing 4 9-10 years ago. It now lists to the left, half the buttons don't work, including the down paddle shifter, but i still would prefer it to using a keyboard. I am not a super serious sim racer, i would die if i tried to complete a 100% race. But a wheel just feels natural to me when i'm driving a racing sim. This however is my opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own.

 

[Frigus5]

This thread is still going? That's Incredible.

 

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[JeffJordan]

Matt, I know you've been here for a while and the community is changing, but there is nothing wrong with that. I personally use a Logitech Driving Force GT (though my pedals are busted so I''m using a keyboard at the moment) and I used a number pad as a controller until about June of 2009, when I got an actual controller. I got the wheel on Black Friday in 2009.

Though, personally, I feel that I need to have a wheel for the best experience, some want to spend money on other things and there's nothing wrong with that. You may feel the community is changing, but others doing their own thing with the game has zero effect on you or the way you race. There are plenty of wheel-users out there, they just might not be here. You shouldn't have an issue with the community changing a bit.

There is no way this game was "meant to be raced", it's how the user means to race it. The game has an option to use a keyboard, a joystick, a gamepad, or a wheel...there are four ways to control the car.